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re: Better Coach: Mark Richt or Phil Fulmer
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:00 pm to parkjas2001
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:00 pm to parkjas2001
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He won the East the year before he was fired so it was not bec he could not win.
True proof that SEC east titles are meaningless. It was obvious that the program had fallen well behind the elites. He lost to Saban and Meyer by a combined score of 101-37 that season. Lucked in to ATL because UGA shite the bed in Neyland.
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Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:01 pm to WG_Dawg
in 2001, Fulmer coached against Saban, Richt, Spurrier, Saban again, and Carr who i would compare to Erickson
he lost 2 games
in 2004 Fulmer coached against Meyer, Tubs, Richt, and tubs again
In 2005 Fulmer coached against Meyer, Miles, Richt and Spurrier
In 2006 Fulmer faced Tedford, Meyer, Richt, Spurrier, Miles, and Paterno
in 2007 he faced Tedford, Meyer, richt, saban, spurrier, and miles
in 2008 he faced Meyer, tubs, richt, saban, and spurrier
Upon further review i think the following argument is shite, keep in mind i haven't once advocated that fulmer was better than richt i just thought your point was a hollow one
he lost 2 games
in 2004 Fulmer coached against Meyer, Tubs, Richt, and tubs again
In 2005 Fulmer coached against Meyer, Miles, Richt and Spurrier
In 2006 Fulmer faced Tedford, Meyer, Richt, Spurrier, Miles, and Paterno
in 2007 he faced Tedford, Meyer, richt, saban, spurrier, and miles
in 2008 he faced Meyer, tubs, richt, saban, and spurrier
Upon further review i think the following argument is shite, keep in mind i haven't once advocated that fulmer was better than richt i just thought your point was a hollow one
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Richt had to coach against dennis erickson, nick saban, urban meyer, phil fulmer, steve spurrier, and tubs. Fulmer never had to face anything close to that gauntlet.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:04 pm to WG_Dawg
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Well Richt has never only won 5 games in a season. Much less done it twice.
True. Marks lows are not as low and his highs are not as high.
Good comparison though.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:06 pm to parkjas2001
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True. Marks lows are not as low and his highs are not as high.
very true
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:07 pm to parkjas2001
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He won the East the year before he was fired so it was not bec he could not win.
Got destroyed by Alabama and UF though.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:08 pm to Korin
And you and I both know why Tenn went to Atlanta and UF did not in 2007.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:10 pm to parkjas2001
Byrum still rustles my jimmies, but Georgia would've represented the East that year if we had won.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:15 pm to WG_Dawg
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Bama had 2 very good years in the 90s and then had a lot of average.
that's a huge stretch. Bama went to the SEC championship game 92-96 and 99. They won 10 games in 91, 92, 94, 96, and 99. You're basically saying Bama is only better than average when the win a conference title.
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The caliber of competition faced by richt and fulmer isn't even remotely comparable.
very debatable. Tennessee went out and played Miami in the regular season a couple times. Syracuse with Donovan McNab, UCLA with Cade McNown twice, Notre Dame several times, etc. You can make an argument that Richt has had a harder path overall, but you're trying to embellish far too much to make your point. You basically are acting like only UT and Florida had good teams the entirety of the 90s and Bama only fielded a competitive team twice. I doubt you spent the time to look into who UT played each season under Fulmer and how good teams were that particular season. You're looking at the SEC in a giant vacuum and how good programs were over a 15 year span rather than looking at each individual season.
This post was edited on 6/10/14 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:16 pm to lsufball19
Very good post.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:20 pm to lsufball19
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very debatable. Tennessee went out and played Miami in the regular season a couple times. Syracuse with Donovan McNab, UCLA with Cade McNown twice, Notre Dame several times, etc. You can make an argument that Richt has had a harder path overall, but you're trying to embellish far too much to make your point. You basically are acting like only UT and Florida had good teams the entirety of the 90s and Bama only fielded a competitive team twice. I doubt you spent the time to look into who UT played each season under Fulmer and how good teams were that particular season. You're looking at the SEC in a giant vacuum and how good programs were over a 15 year span rather than looking at each individual season. This post was edited on 6/10 at 3:16 pm
See my earlier post
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:26 pm to lsufball19
Amazing what research and logic can accomplish. But hey it's WC dawg's world that we are living in apparently.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:26 pm to Korin
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Got destroyed by Alabama and UF though.
and destroyed mark richt that same season
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:28 pm to parkjas2001
quote:FWIW...Using the USA today Coaches poll, which is the one that counted for the BCS...
To your point, Phil has 6 in 16 years, Mark has 5 in 13.
UGA finished top 10...in '02, '03, '04, '05, '07, '08 & '12... that's 7 top 10's in 13 years...
UT finished top 10... in '95, '96, '97, '98, '99, '01 & '02... that's 7 top 10's in 16 years...
CMR still has 3 years to better that total...
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:29 pm to lowspark12
Fulmer, easy. Plus he was good for the donut bidness in Knoxville
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:29 pm to psk_Vol
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Amazing what research and logic can accomplish. But hey it's WC dawg's world that we are living in apparently.
Notice once I broke it down season by season he left the thread
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:34 pm to lsufball19
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lsufball19
My mistake, I apologize. I knew they won the west a bunch, but didn't realize they won that many games as well.
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Syracuse with Donovan McNab, UCLA with Cade McNown twice, Notre Dame several times, etc
How was ND at the time? And naming average teams with one good player doesn't mean anything.
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You basically are acting like only UT and Florida had good teams the entirety of the 90s and Bama only fielded a competitive team twice.
I already admitted I was incorrect about bama. But the rest is fact. Look at the 90s for the east:
UT and UF: elite
UGA: won 10 games twice. The rest of the time hovered around averaging 7ish games, had a few years of 4,5, or 6 wins
UK/SC/VU: horrendous programs
Compare that to the east richt has faced:
-UF: had a few down seasons, especially recently, but also won 2 national titles.
-UT: very down of late, but from 01-09 flipped between very very good to pretty good.
-SC: best era in school history. 3 straight 11 win seasons
-Vandy: likely the best era in school history. Ranked.
-UK: made some noise a year or two. Was ranked in the top 15 at one point
-missouri: won the east already
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:34 pm to psk_Vol
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But hey it's WC dawg's world that we are living in apparently.
Who the frick is that?
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Amazing what research and logic can accomplish
Which is what I do with just about every post.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:36 pm to Wishnitwas1998
You listed losses from '01 but for some reason none of the subsequent seasons... Fixes it for ya...
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in 2001, Fulmer coached against Saban, Richt, Spurrier, Saban again, and Carr who i would compare to Erickson
he lost 2 games
in 2004 Fulmer coached against Meyer, Tubs, Richt, and tubs again (lost 3)
In 2005 Fulmer coached against Meyer, Miles, Richt and Spurrier (lost 6)
In 2006 Fulmer faced Tedford, Meyer, Richt, Spurrier, Miles, and Paterno (lost 4)
in 2007 he faced Tedford, Meyer, richt, saban, spurrier, and miles (lost 4)
in 2008 he faced Meyer, tubs, richt, saban, and spurrier (lost 7)
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:36 pm to Korin
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So then Chizik and Coker > Richt as well?
If chizik and Coker put up identical numbers as richt and and the NT is the stat that gives them the edge, then sure. But I think we both know you're just being a smart arse and their stats aren't similar.
Posted on 6/10/14 at 3:37 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Just silly. The world must look good with red glasses on. I personally hope CMR stays at UGA for a while. He just isn't a threat to UT getting the football program back to where it needs to be. Even in our worst stretch literally ever we still pluck recruits from that state like nose hairs. UGA was very lucky to beat a HORRIBLE, rebuilding UT squad last year.
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