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Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:34 pm to RiffRaffAggie
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Nah cuz he's gay. I don't want gay players on my team.
you currently have gay players on your team.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:37 pm to nb200016
Nope.
I'd rather not have Obama breathing down my neck making sure he gets playing time.
I'd rather not have Obama breathing down my neck making sure he gets playing time.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:41 pm to nb200016
No, I would care too much about my players.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:38 pm to nb200016
NFL Combine Report
I watched 3.25 Missouri games this year. First one was UGA vs Missouri then the last part of the USCe vs Missouri, Auburn vs Missouri and then their bowl game.
I don't even remember Michael Sam in any of those games. When I heard he was SEC DPOY I had no idea who he was but knew Missouri was a good defense so maybe he was the main reason why. Now that I've read a little on his background and Missouri's defense I wonder it looks more like Kony Ealy was the consistent DE at Missouri.
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6-2
260 lbs
Strengths
Good arm length. Anticipates the snap and has a very good initial first step. Plays hard -- gives great effort and competes every down. Good on-field intensity and demeanor. Attacks the edges aggressively and motor runs hot. Outstanding weight-room strength -- can squat a small house. Very durable.
Weaknesses
Lacks burst and acceleration off the edge to get a step on blockers and finish. Sack production results from effort and production flushed to him and is not creatively produced with savvy pass-rush moves, speed, power or bend. Average hip flexibility and snap -- struggles clearing his hips at the top of his rush and trimming the corner. Adequate anchor vs. the run. Is late to disengage from blocks. Does not strike with authority. Inconsistent tackler. Late bloomer who could require time to adapt to the pro game.
Bottom Line
A productive, 4-3 weakside rusher who came on as a senior and it made his last season his best. Could fit most ideally as a 3-4 outside linebacker in a zone-blitzing scheme like the Steelers or Ravens. Compares favorably to Chargers 2009 first-round pick Larry English, an overhyped, overdrafted, marginal producer in the pros.
I watched 3.25 Missouri games this year. First one was UGA vs Missouri then the last part of the USCe vs Missouri, Auburn vs Missouri and then their bowl game.
I don't even remember Michael Sam in any of those games. When I heard he was SEC DPOY I had no idea who he was but knew Missouri was a good defense so maybe he was the main reason why. Now that I've read a little on his background and Missouri's defense I wonder it looks more like Kony Ealy was the consistent DE at Missouri.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:55 pm to kilo
yes 
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:15 pm to LSU1NSEC
Yes, he was one of the best pass rushers in this draft. If he would have stayed in the closet, he'd have been a 4th round pick at worst. It is funny to hear all the asses here badmouthing his abilities. It'd be fun to go back through the game threads for this year and revisit all the posters wishing he played for their team. He was a monster this season.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:55 pm to Sarcastro
What made him one of the best pass rushers in the draft?
His grade had him 50-50 to make the draft. He fell right around where his grade put him, if anything, his story may have gotten him drafted rather than the other way around.
Did you see that previously posted combine report on him? "Sack production results from effort and production flushed to him and is not creatively produced with savvy pass-rush moves, speed, power or bend."
The guy on the other side was Kony Ealy right? 2nd round pick?
His grade had him 50-50 to make the draft. He fell right around where his grade put him, if anything, his story may have gotten him drafted rather than the other way around.
Did you see that previously posted combine report on him? "Sack production results from effort and production flushed to him and is not creatively produced with savvy pass-rush moves, speed, power or bend."
The guy on the other side was Kony Ealy right? 2nd round pick?
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:57 pm to N97883
His story got him drafted by a team desperate to have some fans show up.
If the Rams were in LA right now with the same coach and management, that pick doesn't happen.
Rams tweeted M-I-Z afterwards. That says all you need to know. Mizzou runs the Rams.
If the Rams were in LA right now with the same coach and management, that pick doesn't happen.
Rams tweeted M-I-Z afterwards. That says all you need to know. Mizzou runs the Rams.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:11 am to nb200016
I don't know, the team is about the team. It's difficult with the way the media is today. So is this guy worth the negative that COULD happen?
Look, if the NFL has a bully problem, you really want to now deal with THIS? It's a shame that it's an issue, but from a business standpoint, No I would not draft Sam. Sorry.
Look, if the NFL has a bully problem, you really want to now deal with THIS? It's a shame that it's an issue, but from a business standpoint, No I would not draft Sam. Sorry.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:12 am to Mizzeaux
Another reason why the NFL is a joke. Kowtow to the idiotic sports media/average NFL fan instead of actually trying to help your team be better at football.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:16 am to Rich Kotite
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Another reason why the NFL is a joke. Kowtow to the idiotic sports media/average NFL fan instead of actually trying to help your team be better at football.
Weird thing, I think he may actually make it.
I'm not a super homer, but Mizzou does have a way of showing underrated folks they can actually make it happen. The whole Mizzou system is based on that.
Mizzou may have a tiny part of the Rams drafting Sam thing, but I think the Mizzou thing did come into consideration. It's what Mizzou is based on.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:18 am to nb200016
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It's the fact that a media circus like no other will forever surround him, and he's just not good enough to warrant that kind of bullshite.
And just wait until you have to cut him. Imagine the scrutiny you're going to face for cutting the gay guy.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:29 am to Mizzeaux
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His story got him drafted by a team desperate to have some fans show up.
If the Rams were in LA right now with the same coach and management, that pick doesn't happen.
Rams tweeted M-I-Z afterwards. That says all you need to know. Mizzou runs the Rams.
Rams 1st pick - Auburn
Rams 3rd pick - Auburn
Rams HC Son - Auburn walk on (or was)
Rams HC Daughter - Auburn
Rams GM - Auburn
Rams OC - Married into Auburn family
Rams Scout Barret Trotter - Auburn QB
Rams Director of Player Personnel - Auburn GA
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:32 am to N97883
So it's an Auburn/SEC thing?
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:34 am to BamaGradinTn
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And just wait until you have to cut him. Imagine the scrutiny you're going to face for cutting the gay guy.
That's a big problem although I think the NFL got the headline they wanted and figure the outrage over him being cut would be less than him not being drafted.
He'll play in the preseason. Even if he's a disaster I bet they hold on to him until the 53-man roster. "But we tried!"
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:43 am to N97883
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What made him one of the best pass rushers in the draft?
His grade had him 50-50 to make the draft. He fell right around where his grade put him, if anything, his story may have gotten him drafted rather than the other way around.
Did you see that previously posted combine report on him? "Sack production results from effort and production flushed to him and is not creatively produced with savvy pass-rush moves, speed, power or bend."
The guy on the other side was Kony Ealy right? 2nd round pick?
Here's what the stats showed.
Sack study
On the premier pass rushers in the draft, Sam was the fastest to the QB. He was almost a second faster to the QB on his sacks than Dee Ford. He did it with the least amount of help with an average of 3.5 rushers + blitzers on his sacks. He got help in the form of pressure from at least one other teammate on 30% of his sacks. Ford had help on 45.5% of his sacks. In 2012, Clowney had additional pressure on 69% of his sacks.
Also, that combine report sounds pretty ignorant of what Sam did last season. It doesn't even sound like whoever wrote even watched Sam last season. He got his sacks beating the tackle with an explosive first step to the outside and getting around him quickly. Team's knew we would get to their QB fast and mostly structured their passing game on short stuff and dump offs. Here is how our defense worked.
Our DEs often straight up beat the guy in front of them and got pressure on the QB. Our back seven was usually not playing tight coverage on shorter stuff, meaning there would often be somebody for the QB to dump it off to when he got pressure in his face. Our DBs and LBs were pretty good at baiting the QB as well, so we ended up with the most sacks and interceptions in the SEC.
Sam got his sacks with an explosive first step that allowed him to beat the tackle around the outside. He was the best and most productive speed rusher in the SEC last season. I won't argue that he should have been drafted higher than Ealy or Ford, but he is certainly a comparable pass rusher and should have gone far earlier than the 7th round. There was a 6'1 260 pound DE that ran a 5.0 40 and had 5.5 sacks in a mid major drafted in the fifth round. There was a DE that got kicked off Wisconsin's team, got suspended for his entire senior year at Boston College, and in the end had 6 sacks his entire college career that got drafted before Sam.
Sam is a smart and hard working guy. He can learn additional pass rush moves. He has a first step that allowed him to get to the QB quicker than anybody else, and he did this in the SEC. That pass rush is the most desired trait for a defender in the NFL. Sam, a proven, legitimate pass rusher, was ignored for 99% of the draft.
Sam had plenty of tape in the best conference in CFB to look at. He performed against the most talented football players outside of the NFL itself. If you're from Marist, the combine or your pro day should be an extremely important thing. You either don't have tape or the tape is against guys that weren't even good enough for kansas. Sam also across the board performed better at his pro day than at the combine. Everything except his poor combine was ignored so his status as a legit NFL prospect could be ignored as well.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 5/13/14 at 7:29 am to Sarcastro
I should have noted that the source of what I posted was NFL.com LINK .
That article you posted was an interesting article and I enjoyed reading it but I don't think it helped Sam's cause like you think it did. It does however make Ealy look like a beast and the better player and thus a quality 1st-2nd round pick and you understand what the Chiefs saw in Dee Ford.
That article you posted was an interesting article and I enjoyed reading it but I don't think it helped Sam's cause like you think it did. It does however make Ealy look like a beast and the better player and thus a quality 1st-2nd round pick and you understand what the Chiefs saw in Dee Ford.
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- Earlier I noted Sam’s quick time to the QB, we can see a possible explanation for that here [yet slow combine numbers]. Every one of his sacks was on an outside rush which likely led to sacks where he only quickly and definitely beat the tackle around the corner.
- While Ealy has a similar time to Sam, his variety of pass rush moves doesn’t leave as much to be desired. Of the group, he went to the bull rush – utilizing his strength 50% of the time. The bull rush is typically the slowest way to the QB so his ability to get their quickly while utilizing that rush makes his quick time all the more impressive.
- With arguably the most diverse variety of rushes (outside of Clowney ’13), Dee Ford’s varied attempts may slightly explain his slower time. With equal sacks coming from bull and inside rushes, he displayed an ability to get the QB consistently. However, Kareem Martin had a similarly diverse set of sacks and still had a fast snap to sack time.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 7:32 am
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