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Posted on 5/12/14 at 2:06 pm to Datbayoubengal
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From last season alone, I should've been in the first three rounds
and from his combine alone he shouldn't have been drafted.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:02 pm to GenesChin
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Nobody gives a shite about this 2 years from now. He will just be the gay guy
....on Sportscenter.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:16 pm to nb200016
Hell no, way too soft and I would be too scared he would lay on me too long in a pile up. The first time he stared at me too long in the locker room were fightin!
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:21 pm to WigSplitta22
If he can play yes
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:22 pm to nb200016
Sure if I felt he could contribute on ST
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:26 pm to MrBiriwa
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If he can play yes
Oh he can play......with your balls while your cocks in his mouth!
Posted on 5/12/14 at 3:45 pm to WigSplitta22
Special teams
Posted on 5/12/14 at 4:32 pm to Ortho Reb
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As long as it's not illegal and it doesn't effect your life, then it shouldn't matter to you.
But laws change. It wasn't that long ago that sodomy was illegal in just about (if not) every state. It still is in many states. Actually, I think his analogy is pretty good. In Europe, it is legal to marry your first cousin. They think it funny that it is illegal in the United States...or it is illegal in many states.
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and it doesn't effect your life, then it shouldn't matter to you.
I realize I am reaching here....but the Germans exterminating the Jews would not have affected my life, either. That was legal in Germany, too, apparently, or at least nobody wanted to stand up against it. Does that mean it should not have mattered to me?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:06 pm to nb200016
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nb200016
Would you have drafted Michael Sam?
If it's my organization, I wouldn't.
Two reasons...
2. He's gay. I don't mean this in the "I'm against gay individuals and gay lifestyle/marriage/etc..." I'm pro gay marriage and don't care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.
I mean this in the sense that, if it's my organization, I don't want the potential baggage that comes with this. I don't want to be picketed by gay rights groups like its the grand opening of a new chick-fil-a every time someone thinks he's being mistreated. If he doesn't start a game...it's because he's gay. If he doesn't get enough play time...it's because he's gay. I decide he's not that good and we cut/trade him...it was because he's gay. We don't renegotiate his contract to pay him more...it was because he's gay.
I wouldn't want to risk having my organization exposed to being called bigoted at the drop of a hat.
But aren't you giving a 2-sided answer? You're saying BECAUSE he's gay that you're afraid of ANY possible reaction & therefore saying "no" over an unknown issue that may NOT ever happen.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:38 pm to southernboisb
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But aren't you giving a 2-sided answer? You're saying BECAUSE he's gay that you're afraid of ANY possible reaction & therefore saying "no" over an unknown issue that may NOT ever happen
I said him being gay brings a potential media nightmare of unprecedented proportion.
And that his play combined with this is not worth the risk.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:50 pm to nb200016
*hit the "submit" button before responding*
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:54 pm to nb200016
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nb200016
Would you have drafted Michael Sam?
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But aren't you giving a 2-sided answer? You're saying BECAUSE he's gay that you're afraid of ANY possible reaction & therefore saying "no" over an unknown issue that may NOT ever happen
I said him being gay brings a potential media nightmare of unprecedented proportion.
And that his play combined with this is not worth the risk.
& can't the same thing be said about anybody else? Will Michael Vick ever live it down? Will the LSU player who CONTINUOUSLY FAILED drug tests ever live it down? How about the Dolphins guy who bullied his teammate? Or, think it was Texans, the guy who killed somebody?
Now, had it just been left as to his athletic ability, you've got legitimate stats that could work for your decision.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:55 pm to nb200016
Nah cuz he's gay. I don't want gay players on my team.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:16 pm to UMRealist
His specific stats were...
Sacks
Murray St 0
Toledo 0
Indiana 0
Arkansas St 3
Vanderbilt 3
Georgia 0
Florida 3
South Carolina 1
Tennessee 0
Kentucky 0
Mississippi 0
Texas A&M 0.5
Auburn 0
Oklahoma St 1
Total 11.5 sacks.
TFL
Murray St 2
Toledo 2
Indiana 0
Arkansas St 3
Vanderbilt 3
Georgia 0
Florida 3
South Carolina 3
Tennessee 0
Kentucky 0
Mississippi 1
Texas A&M 1
Auburn 0
Oklahoma St 1
He had 19.0 TFL for 97 yards or 1.36 per game.
He had 31 solo tackles, 17 assisted, 48 total, 3.43 per game.
He broke up 2 broken up passes, 5 QB hurries, 2 fumbles forced, 0 punts blocked.
Sacks
Murray St 0
Toledo 0
Indiana 0
Arkansas St 3
Vanderbilt 3
Georgia 0
Florida 3
South Carolina 1
Tennessee 0
Kentucky 0
Mississippi 0
Texas A&M 0.5
Auburn 0
Oklahoma St 1
Total 11.5 sacks.
TFL
Murray St 2
Toledo 2
Indiana 0
Arkansas St 3
Vanderbilt 3
Georgia 0
Florida 3
South Carolina 3
Tennessee 0
Kentucky 0
Mississippi 1
Texas A&M 1
Auburn 0
Oklahoma St 1
He had 19.0 TFL for 97 yards or 1.36 per game.
He had 31 solo tackles, 17 assisted, 48 total, 3.43 per game.
He broke up 2 broken up passes, 5 QB hurries, 2 fumbles forced, 0 punts blocked.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:17 pm to nb200016
No
1. Not good enough
2. Will be a major distraction
3. When he is cut all hell will break lose and protests will be rampant.
1. Not good enough
2. Will be a major distraction
3. When he is cut all hell will break lose and protests will be rampant.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:18 pm to southernboisb
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can't the same thing be said about anybody else? Will Michael Vick ever live it down? Will the LSU player who CONTINUOUSLY FAILED drug tests ever live it down? How about the Dolphins guy who bullied his teammate? Or, think it was Texans, the guy who killed somebody?
Now, had it just been left as to his athletic ability, you've got legitimate stats that could work for your decision.
If you are actually trying to relate Michael Sam being gay to the Vick or Incognito/Martin scandal then your comprehension skills are severely lacking
Literally having to walk on eggshells with a player because the LGBT groups will be on your arse in a heartbeat should something happen that for one second might be thought to be related to his sexuality. It only takes one instance of him feeling he's being mistreated due to his sexuality for your entire organization to be labeled bigots.
You really think an average 3rd down pass-rush specialist is worth that?
Nah.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:25 pm to nb200016
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nb200016
Would you have drafted Michael Sam?
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can't the same thing be said about anybody else? Will Michael Vick ever live it down? Will the LSU player who CONTINUOUSLY FAILED drug tests ever live it down? How about the Dolphins guy who bullied his teammate? Or, think it was Texans, the guy who killed somebody?
Now, had it just been left as to his athletic ability, you've got legitimate stats that could work for your decision.
If you are actually trying to relate Michael Sam being gay to the Vick or Incognito/Martin scandal then your comprehension skills are severely lacking
Literally having to walk on eggshells with a player because the LGBT groups will be on your arse in a heartbeat should something happen that for one second might be thought to be related to his sexuality. It only takes one instance of him feeling he's being mistreated due to his sexuality for your entire organization to be labeled bigots.
You really think an average 3rd down pass-rush specialist is worth that?
Nah.
The only thing I was comparing is that there are plenty of current/past NFL players with a LOT MORE to be concerned about than who somebody loves.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:31 pm to nb200016
Is there a right answer? Everything comes down to, it depends. Every MBA program teaches that.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:31 pm to southernboisb
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The only thing I was comparing is that there are plenty of current/past NFL players with a LOT MORE to be concerned about than who somebody loves.
Yeah. You still don't get it.
It's not that he has a little white man in his bed at night. It's the fact that a media circus like no other will forever surround him, and he's just not good enough to warrant that kind of bullshite.
If you can't understand that, just go.
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