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re: Question about some conference titles in football.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:51 am to NYCAuburn
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:51 am to NYCAuburn
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UGA's own record books denote 5-0 in conference play, FWIW
Whoever updated their records was probably born long after it happened and wasn't aware of it. I don't think UG should have been allowed to do it though--UG had more than enough time to adjust their schedule with another SEC team to get the minimum six conference games. Ultimately, it was kind of unfair to Bama to make them share the title with UG.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:54 am to TheDude321
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Seriously, a Tennessee fan shouldn't joke about weak conference schedules. UT is the Queen Mother of weak conference schedules since the SEC has existed
Are you actually serious?
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:08 am to VFL1800FPD
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Are you actually serious?
Well, I mean UT has spent decades padding its SEC victory totals with the likes of Sewanee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Florida (which wasn't good before the 1990s but by then South Carolina had joined the SEC, so UT beat up on the Gamecocks for the next 15 years).
College football historians have even written about this trend: LINK.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:17 am to TheDude321
Sewanee was only in the SEC for 8 years.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:27 am to NYCAuburn
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I forgot they left in the ealrier 60's, but still UGA's own record books denote 5-0 in conference play, FWIW
That's not uncommon. Most school media guides get updated by students who don't know beans about history.
The SEC is in charge of conference records. It's always a good idea to consult a conference first:
SEC Media Guide
Page 132 has the standings for 1966.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:39 am to boxedlunch
The conference win loss records of each SEC teams' conference game opponents since the conference started (head to head games removed from the conference record):
1 Texas A&M (61-51-0)--0.54464
2 Auburn (1671-1442-87)--0.53578
3 Missouri (59-53-0)--0.52679
4 Arkansas (637-590-5)--0.51907
5 LSU (1579-1464-80)--0.51841
6 Mississippi St. (1553-1484-100)--0.51100
7 Kentucky (1540-1472-88)--0.51097
8 Tennessee (1536-1506-87)--0.50479
9 Georgia Tech (478-480-67)--0.49902
10 Alabama (1594-1601-94)--0.49894
11 South Carolina (608-618-6)--0.49594
12 Florida (1481-1506-82)--0.49593
13 Vanderbilt (1502-1547-82)--0.49281
14 Georgia (1460-1570-93)--0.48239
15 Sewanee (83-91-14)--0.47872
16 Tulane (456-502-67)--0.47756
17 Mississippi (1389-1586-90)--0.46786
1 Texas A&M (61-51-0)--0.54464
2 Auburn (1671-1442-87)--0.53578
3 Missouri (59-53-0)--0.52679
4 Arkansas (637-590-5)--0.51907
5 LSU (1579-1464-80)--0.51841
6 Mississippi St. (1553-1484-100)--0.51100
7 Kentucky (1540-1472-88)--0.51097
8 Tennessee (1536-1506-87)--0.50479
9 Georgia Tech (478-480-67)--0.49902
10 Alabama (1594-1601-94)--0.49894
11 South Carolina (608-618-6)--0.49594
12 Florida (1481-1506-82)--0.49593
13 Vanderbilt (1502-1547-82)--0.49281
14 Georgia (1460-1570-93)--0.48239
15 Sewanee (83-91-14)--0.47872
16 Tulane (456-502-67)--0.47756
17 Mississippi (1389-1586-90)--0.46786
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:05 pm to TheDude321
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Well, I mean UT has spent decades padding its SEC victory totals with the likes of Sewanee, Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Florida (which wasn't good before the 1990s but by then South Carolina had joined the SEC, so UT beat up on the Gamecocks for the next 15 years).
yeah, and playing Bama every year was a joke too. Every west team spent years playing teams like Miss State, etc. Every coach schedulued easy games, duh
By the way that's the sketchiest link i've ever seen
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:16 pm to VFL1800FPD
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By the way that's the sketchiest link i've ever seen
I wasn't going to say anything, but since you brought it up. This comment in particular says "I'm ignorant":
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And of course the Vols traditionally schedule Vanderbilt and Kentucky, two more schools with very little football success while Neyland was coaching, and not a lot since he left.
Very little football success? Well since Neyland left, yes, however painting Vanderbilt as having little success prior to 1939 is pretty ignorant.
Prior to 1939 (the season he mentions), Vanderbilt had an all-time record of 291-96-27, for a winning percentage of 0.736. That winning percentage is higher than any of the other current SEC teams, even Alabama. From the start of Neyland's career at Tennessee in 1926 to 1938, only Tennessee and Alabama had a higher winning percentage than Vanderbilt.
People that don't look historically and use the old "yeah they suck now so they must always have sucked" bit should not be taken seriously.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 12:35 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Nice! Proud of you
still doesn't change the fact you lost twice as many games as you won...
31-17
Posted on 1/23/14 at 1:14 pm to Korin
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31-17
9 nine years of losing has deadened my sense, but keep trying
Jimmies remain unrustled
Posted on 1/23/14 at 3:00 pm to Korin
several things ----------
Before the uniform number of conference games began in 1978, any team unbeaten in conference play won a share of the SEC title. In fact,you left LSU and Alabama off your list from 1961. LSU was 6-0 and Alabama was 7-0.
Through the 1968 season, the SEC assigned some out of conference games as 'SEC Games' to ensure every team played at least 6 SEC games.Hence, North Carolina vs Georgia in '66. (In fact,LSU only played 4 true SEC games in 1968 as games vs TCU and Tulane counted as SEC games).
For whatever reason, Alabama and Ole Miss had a two game series in 1980 and 1981 knowing full well they wouldn't count as SEC games and were considered 'non conference' games.
In 1976 Kentucky lost to Mississippi State.However, a year or so later the NCAA had Miss State forfeit several,if not all games in 1975 and 1976, including the '76 UK game. Kentucky was retroactively awarded a share of the 1976 SEC title with 5-1 Georgia.
I think somewhere in this thread it was mentioned (correctly) that originally in 1984 Florida was named SEC champion while not being allowed to go to the Sugar or any bowl. In the Spring of 1985 AD's and Chancellors/Presidents voted to strip Florida of their 1984 title and make them ineligible for the upcoming 1985 season title.
Before the uniform number of conference games began in 1978, any team unbeaten in conference play won a share of the SEC title. In fact,you left LSU and Alabama off your list from 1961. LSU was 6-0 and Alabama was 7-0.
Through the 1968 season, the SEC assigned some out of conference games as 'SEC Games' to ensure every team played at least 6 SEC games.Hence, North Carolina vs Georgia in '66. (In fact,LSU only played 4 true SEC games in 1968 as games vs TCU and Tulane counted as SEC games).
For whatever reason, Alabama and Ole Miss had a two game series in 1980 and 1981 knowing full well they wouldn't count as SEC games and were considered 'non conference' games.
In 1976 Kentucky lost to Mississippi State.However, a year or so later the NCAA had Miss State forfeit several,if not all games in 1975 and 1976, including the '76 UK game. Kentucky was retroactively awarded a share of the 1976 SEC title with 5-1 Georgia.
I think somewhere in this thread it was mentioned (correctly) that originally in 1984 Florida was named SEC champion while not being allowed to go to the Sugar or any bowl. In the Spring of 1985 AD's and Chancellors/Presidents voted to strip Florida of their 1984 title and make them ineligible for the upcoming 1985 season title.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 3:30 pm to WDE85
quote:Alabama played and won one more conference game than Auburn. UA was 7-1 and AU was 6-1. Back then schools were required to play a minimum of conference games but there was no maximum. Alabama played an extra conference game. You'll find that this reason will answer most of your questions.
1972-Auburn 10-1, Alabama 10-2, Auburn wins head to head, yet Alabama gets SEC title. It's very confusing.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:52 pm to VFL1800FPD
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9 nine years of losing has deadened my sense, but keep trying
Jimmies remain unrustled
And yet you keep replying.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:58 pm to Korin
Something else interesting in the SEC football media guide. From page 126:
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:55 pm to BluegrassBelle
In the old days because of travel and even into the 1980s teams might play more SEC games than the conference scheduled, but they didn't count but a set number.
In 1988 thete was a 3 way tie if I am not mistaken.
This really isn't a mystery guys.
Head to head was not a tie breaker, after all a team at home had an advantage.
5-1 vs 5-1 is was consideted a co title.
In 1988 thete was a 3 way tie if I am not mistaken.
This really isn't a mystery guys.
Head to head was not a tie breaker, after all a team at home had an advantage.
5-1 vs 5-1 is was consideted a co title.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:13 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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In 1988 thete was a 3 way tie if I am not mistaken.
No.
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Head to head was not a tie breaker
What's the point of even playing the game then, if there isn't some kind of reward for winning?
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