Started By
Message
2
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:38 pm to Sid E Walker
Like you have anything better to do.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:41 pm to sms151t
quote:You have proven you have no clue about the crap spewing from your keyboard. Holtz did at Ark. what he does everywhere. Win with other coaches players then fall flat because he refuses to recruit. We were already playing for & winning Nat. titles when Holtz took over for Frank Broyals. Holtz had a couple good years with Franks players then flatlined. In the End Frank was looking for any reason to fire him. The only school that Holtz did well at with his own recruits was ND and that is because he didn't have to recruit there
The worst thing ever to Arkansas football was also its best. Holtz brought in life and consistent winning and it made the next two generations expect 10 win seasons. Still have never figured out though why the program is so horrible in bowl games in its history.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:43 pm to Sid E Walker
There is a jealousy/division within the state of Arkansas between NWA and the rest of the state. That division manifests itself in several ways including the mindset of Arkansas fans with respect to Gus.
Gus was a hero in NWA High School football. He got the Arky OC position partly because of this, but mostly because he had several highly ranked kids graduating the same year. Gus was successful, but Houston Nutt wouldn't give him complete control of the offense. Not being on the same page with each other likely cost Arkansas an SEC championship. Gus was a class act the entire time and has never spoken an ill word about it. His supporters though caused tons of drama and chaos for the program and Houston Nutt.
Gus was a hero in NWA High School football. He got the Arky OC position partly because of this, but mostly because he had several highly ranked kids graduating the same year. Gus was successful, but Houston Nutt wouldn't give him complete control of the offense. Not being on the same page with each other likely cost Arkansas an SEC championship. Gus was a class act the entire time and has never spoken an ill word about it. His supporters though caused tons of drama and chaos for the program and Houston Nutt.
This post was edited on 12/2/13 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:43 pm to JBeam
Auburn this year is last year's Florida but they'll have a good record next year.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:47 pm to WDE24
quote:
There is a jealousy/division within the state of Arkansas between NWA and the rest of the state. That division manifests itself in several ways including the mindset of Arkansas fans with respect to Gus.
wtf is this? there's one town in arkansas, springdale, that's huge on gus. other than that 1 town, the bulk of everyone else isn't a fan. 
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:47 pm to piggilicious
quote:
i had thanksgiving dinner with 4 current ua students, 4 graduates, 8 life long hog fans and probably a few future ua students and not a one of those people wanted gus as our coach. and not a one of those people are rooting for auburn against mizzou either.
Did you have Thanksgiving dinner in a special ed class or in Arkansas?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:48 pm to piggilicious
Your objectivity about all things Gus is noted.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:48 pm to WDE24
your non-knowing what you're talking about is also noted.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:49 pm to Sid E Walker
quote:
What's the story on Malzahn with the Pigs? Quite a few don't seem to care for him. Were there problems with Mustain's recruitment to Arkansas that rubbed folks the wrong way? Did he stab anyone in the back when he was OC at Arkansas?
There are a number of reasons dating back to the 2006/Mustain recruitment years.
Some think he never deserved the OC job and should've just gotten a job as a position coach. It bred infighting on the staff.
Some think he made too many promises we couldn't keep to Mustain, Williams and Cleveland, which bred resentment from and towards them. Some also think he didn't do enough to quell their parents' involvement, either.
Some have a bitter taste in their mouths for the way pretty much the entirety of the city of Springdale turned on the program after Mustain, Williams and Malzahn left after the 2006 season. Many Springdale people/Malzahn fanboys from his days at SCS/SHS gave up their season tickets and swore off the Hogs.
A lot of people dislike him for his (alleged) part in Camgate and the 2010 season.
A lot of people don't like the fact that he was pretty successful at mining Arkansas for recruits while at both Tulsa and Auburn.
A lot of people didn't care for the fact he spent all of his lone season at ASU taking potshots at tFlagship and trying to gin up a nonexistent rivalry, even going as far as saying that ASU-UA should play at War Memorial (laughable). He even spouted a bunch of nonsense about turning ASU into "the Boise of the South."
A lot of Hog fans who either also root for or graduated from ASU were extremely turned off by him bolting after one year, if anything because talked about year about how it was home and about how he and Kristi were "in it for the long haul" and all that nonsense.
For the most part, a great number of our fans didn't want him because he had/has two things against him that made firing Nutt almost impossible: he's a homegrown boy with deep ties among powerful people in the state and he has an entire town/city in his back pocket (he has Springdale, Nutt had Little Rock). Like I've said before, if Bert sucks after 3 years, he's probably gone; if Malzahn would've sucked after 3 years, his allies would have been right there to save him.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:49 pm to piggilicious
You are completely irrational on all things Gus. Let me know where I was wrong.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:52 pm to WDE24
You're not wrong. They are just in denial.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:53 pm to WDE24
well let's see in essence you said: it's nwa vs the rest of the state in regards to gus- this is simply not a true statement. you also tossed out something about 'jealousy' the code word for 3rd graders who can't come up with a valid point in regards to why someone doesn't like you.
you really think you're more rational with regards to gus and have more knowledge about the situation here in arkansas than an arkansas fan? good one, funny stuff.
you really think you're more rational with regards to gus and have more knowledge about the situation here in arkansas than an arkansas fan? good one, funny stuff.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:54 pm to AUtigerNOLA
What are we in denial about exactly?
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:55 pm to piggilicious
quote:I said there is a rivalry between NWA and the rest of the state that manifests itself in several ways including thoughts on Gus. That is true.
it's nwa vs the rest of the state in regards to gus- this is simply not a true statement.
quote:This doesn't even make sense. Are you saying their isn't a rivalry with accusations of jealousy between NWA and the rest of the state? I'm guessing you are a non-NWAer.
you also tossed out something about 'jealousy' the code word for 3rd graders who can't come up with a valid point in regards to why someone doesn't like you.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:56 pm to JBeam
No, we should not.
First, you can't hire him if you never went after him, which we didn't.
Second, there is enough bad blood that it would have been divisive to the fanbase. A large faction, maybe even the majority, did not and does not want him.
Third, we got our man. Though it's slow getting off the ground due to the general overall lack of suitable talent, if you look carefully you see progress towards what CBB is building. I think LSU got the general idea of where we are heading with this thing, even though we lost in the last minutes.
First, you can't hire him if you never went after him, which we didn't.
Second, there is enough bad blood that it would have been divisive to the fanbase. A large faction, maybe even the majority, did not and does not want him.
Third, we got our man. Though it's slow getting off the ground due to the general overall lack of suitable talent, if you look carefully you see progress towards what CBB is building. I think LSU got the general idea of where we are heading with this thing, even though we lost in the last minutes.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:59 pm to WDE24
quote:
I said there is a rivalry between NWA and the rest of the state that manifests itself in several ways including thoughts on Gus. That is true
it is not true in regards to gus- he has one town springdale which does happen to be in nwa but look on a map there are other towns there and they don't bow to him at all.
quote:
This doesn't even make sense. Are you saying their isn't a rivalry with accusations of jealousy between NWA and the rest of the state? I'm guessing you are a non-NWAer.
yes there are comments going back and forth but those comments have to do with the area/opportunities/landscape etc of the state not a damn thing to do with gus.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 3:59 pm to Feral
Good list. Some of those sound ridiculous/petty/small town bitterness, but at least you laid them out.
I can understand why some Arky people wouldn't want to hire Gus, the vitriol is still a little bizarre and seems to require some big leaps from the issues you posted.
I can understand why some Arky people wouldn't want to hire Gus, the vitriol is still a little bizarre and seems to require some big leaps from the issues you posted.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:00 pm to Feral
quote:
Feral
Great summary.
For anyone looking for actual answers to the questions being asked about Gus v Arkansas go read Ferals' post.
Posted on 12/2/13 at 4:01 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
Some of those sound ridiculous/petty/small town bitterness
They are, but a combination of many small things can be quite strong.
Page 8 of 11
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News