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Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:43 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
Alabama would need to win out AND McCarron would need to get to 3000 yards and 30 passing TDs (and it wouldn't hurt to finish on this current no int streak he has been on the last few games) through the SECCG. Those numbers combined with being probably the biggest winner at QB of all time would definitely get him into the conversation seriously.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:44 pm to elposter
Like I said before, the Heisman isn't a lifetime achievement award.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:44 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
quote:You're clearly new to this or a fricking moron.
BurtReynoldsStache
The Heisman trophy is basically the equivalent of the NFL's MVP.
Here's the definition:
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The trophy is given annually to the most outstanding college football player in the National Collegiate Athletic Association, and is awarded by the Heisman Trust, successors of the awards from the Downtown Athletic Club at an annual ceremony at the Nokia Theatre in New York City.
That means that the best player in the country gets the award.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:44 pm to Tigah32
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It doesn't matter if Winston has more chances. If he's the best player, then he should be given the trophy.
How is Winston the "best" because he is playing 4 quarters against every ACC team? He just came off of a 1 TD/2 INT game against Wake Forest. AJ just came off of a 3 TD/0 INT interception game against LSU.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:47 pm to Libertyabides71
quote:2 things
How is Winston the "best" because he is playing 4 quarters against every ACC team? He just came of a 1 TD/2 INT game against Wake Forest. AJ just came of a 3 TD/0 INT interception game against LSU.
If you seriously think McCarron can even sniff Winston's jock then your'e the biggest homer ever. Bama is without a doubt a better team, but there is no way in hell that McCarron is better than Winston. Or Manziel.
LSU isn't a top 25 defense. Clemson and Miami both have better defenses than LSU.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:47 pm to elposter
Well im pulling for the guy. His career stats are far more impressive than any single season stat.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:47 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
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A.J. McCarron should win Heisman if...
Manziel gets expelled/arrested/murdered before the ceremony.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:48 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
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His career stats
should have absolutely no impact on the 2013 award.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:49 pm to Tigah32
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If you seriously think McCarron can even sniff Winston's jock then your'e the biggest homer ever. Bama is without a doubt a better team, but there is no way in hell that McCarron is better than Winston. Or Manziel.
LSU isn't a top 25 defense. Clemson and Miami both have better defenses than LSU.
He played Wake Forest in his last game and threw 2 picks to 1 TD. Apparently peoples actual play on the field doesn't matter anymore.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:49 pm to HandGrenade
You can repeat your talking point about "not a lifetime achievement award" all you want, but you don't vote and many of the people who do vote will absolutely be influenced to some extent by all the rings. More than any other position in football we judge QBs by wins. You should also read the official Heisman criteria sometime.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:51 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Manziel gets expelled/arrested/murdered before the ceremony.
Manziel has thrown 11 INT's in 10 games including some that led to his teams two losses. It would be a joke to give it to him this year.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:51 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
quote:Are you kidding?
Well im pulling for the guy. His career stats are far more impressive than any single season stat.
Maybe his career accomplishments but his career stats are pedestrian.
He's been very good but he's had the benefit of:
The best Oline in the county, best D in the country, best running game in the country and best coach in the country.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:51 pm to Tigah32
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LSU isn't a top 25 defense. Clemson and Miami both have better defenses than LSU.
LSU is 24th in total defense. Miami is 54th. Miami just got lit up by Virginia Tech for crying out loud.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:51 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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should have absolutely no impact on the 2013 award.
Why?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:52 pm to elposter
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More than any other position in football we judge QBs by wins
That makes no sense at all.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:52 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
From the Heisman website, which by the way I had never read before:
Based on this criteria the ONLY correct choice is AJ. Says NOTHING about the MOST outstanding player. I agree AJ doesn't fit that criteria, but more than any of the others he fits the written criteria for the award
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The Heisman Memorial Trophy annually recognizes the outstanding college football player whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity. Winners epitomize great ability combined with diligence, perseverance, and hard work. The Heisman Trophy Trust ensures the continuation and integrity of this award. The Trust, furthermore, has a charitable mission to support amateur athletics and to provide greater opportunities to the youth of our country. Our goal through these charitable endeavors is for the Heisman Trophy to symbolize the fostering of a sense of community responsibility and service to our youth, especially those disadvantaged or afflicted.
Based on this criteria the ONLY correct choice is AJ. Says NOTHING about the MOST outstanding player. I agree AJ doesn't fit that criteria, but more than any of the others he fits the written criteria for the award
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:54 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
Na, he shouldn't win it, but I think he deserves to be invited.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:55 pm to Libertyabides71
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He played Wake Forest in his last game and threw 2 picks to 1 TD. Apparently peoples actual play on the field doesn't matter anymore
Hey jackass why don't say shite if you don't know what your'e talking about.
2 TDs 1 Pick
Also we can play that game all day bud:
AJ McCarron vs:
Virginia Tech: 110 yds 1 TD 1 INT
Ole Miss: 180 yd 0 TDs 1 INT
Colorado State: 258 yds 1 TD 1 INT
Posted on 11/11/13 at 7:56 pm to BamaDude06
quote:Have you seen us play? After A&M we won't be top 40.
BamaDude06
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