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Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:23 pm to Libertyabides71
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:23 pm to Libertyabides71
Manziel had a Heisman "moment" because he was the best player on his team and accounted for almost 50 touchdowns.
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Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:24 pm to NawlinsTiger9
This thread is so ridiculous.
Johnny Football should win the Heisman Trophy.
But the guy who will go down as the biggest winner at the quarterback position in college football history deserves an invite in his Senior season. He deserves the recognition. And I really don't see how someone can think there's anything wrong with that, unless they're just biased against Alabama.
Johnny Football should win the Heisman Trophy.
But the guy who will go down as the biggest winner at the quarterback position in college football history deserves an invite in his Senior season. He deserves the recognition. And I really don't see how someone can think there's anything wrong with that, unless they're just biased against Alabama.
This post was edited on 11/11/13 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:26 pm to RandySavage
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The next time McCarron puts his team on his back and leads them to a win will be the first time.
Dumbass post of the day.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:26 pm to Libertyabides71
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7/0 to 9/4 its pretty obvious which is better especially when its also 2-0 vs 0-2.
Obviously, Manziel needs to be playing defense, too.
When you give up 49 to current #1 Bama and 45 to current #7 Auburn, you don't leave much room for error by the offense.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:27 pm to genro
If AJ finishes strong, then I have no problem with him being invited.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:27 pm to genro
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Johnny Football should win the Heisman Trophy.
People keep stating this (or Winston) like its a fact. But their arguments don't hold up. They say for only this year. But they backtrack when I point out against ranked teams Manziel has two losses and thrown 4 picks.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:28 pm to BurtReynoldsStache
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A.J. McCarron should win Heisman
No. Doesnt matter. Not the best player in the country.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:28 pm to Whens lunch
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Obviously, Manziel needs to be playing defense, too.
So Manziel gets credit for wins but not losses? Does he take responsibility for anything?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:30 pm to Libertyabides71
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But they backtrack when I point out against ranked teams Manziel has two losses and thrown 4 picks.
When your defense is swiss cheese and giving up a ton of points, and you're pretty much always playing from behind, you kinda have to take some extra chances to give your team a chance.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:31 pm to Libertyabides71
From watching JFF, his passing and even his moves are markedly better than last year. Interceptions aside, his stats are better than last year. His defense and offensive line are worse, and he's throwing it up for grabs a lot more because he thinks (perhaps rightfully so) that he is his team's only hope.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:32 pm to Libertyabides71
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So Manziel gets credit for wins but not losses? Does he take responsibility for anything?
So if Bama had lost to A&M by the same score, 49-42, you'd be blaming AJ for that loss? Seriously?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:35 pm to genro
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This thread is so ridiculous.
Johnny Football should win the Heisman Trophy.
But the guy who will go down as the biggest winner at the quarterback position in college football history deserves an invite in his Senior season. He deserves the recognition. And I really don't see how someone can think there's anything wrong with that, unless they're just biased against Alabama.
This.
All of this.
But what is funny are the posters that are saying all he AJ does is hand the ball off and doesn't make mistakes will be the same ones next offseason predicting the Tide slipping due to losing AJ.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:35 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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People keep stating this (or Winston) like its a fact. But their arguments don't hold up. They say for only this year. But they backtrack when I point out against ranked teams Manziel has two losses and thrown 4 picks.
Alabama has played one team with a decent Pass Efficiency Defense. Against Va Tech McCarren astounded us with the following mind-blowing stats
10-23-110yard 1 TD 1 Int.
See, AJ sucks when playing a good defense.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:36 pm to Whens lunch
AJ is a low character player...definitely not what the Heisman represents
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:38 pm to Libertyabides71
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So Manziel gets credit for wins but not losses? Does he take responsibility for anything?
Is McCarrren getting credit for Bama's defense now, too. Give him all the trophies!!!
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:40 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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So if Bama had lost to A&M by the same score, 49-42, you'd be blaming AJ for that loss? Seriously?
He got blamed for a lost to ATM last year where he was driving and threw an interception in the red zone.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:42 pm to Whens lunch
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Is McCarrren getting credit for Bama's defense now, too. Give him all the trophies!!!
You guys are thick. So there is nothing Manziel could do not lose, not turn the ball over, not act like a douce that you would stop sucking him off?
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:43 pm to RandySavage
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He was pretty terrible in that game and the game winning pass was a screen.
A screen that he may have called. No one knows. Some people say Jones called it. Some say AJ. Some say Nuss. And a screen that he executed, and one that worked because he was 3/4 before that, with his only miss being when the WRs feet got tangled up and he fell down.
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You ran for over 300 yards in that game.
Oddly enough, it was his perfect throw that gave Bama the lead.
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ETA: In McCarron's defense the rest of his team is always so stacked he doesn't really have to. So I'm not saying he can't, but when you watch guys like Manziel it's pretty obvious who the better football player is.
No one denies Manziel is a better talent.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:43 pm to NawlinsTiger9
All you guys who haven't mastered reading comprehension might want to go back and digest the Heisman criteria a bit more. JMHO.
But since I know you probably won't, here are some additional points and questions to ponder:
1. Should the voting be based on talent and ability? Or production? What about lack of "negative" stats? Emphasis on team wins and losses? Or division/conference/national championships? I think you can make arguments for all of these. Can you name any single player - it doesn't automatically have to be a quarterback - who is at or above his peers in all of these categories?
2.Do you think that "opportunity" should be factored in? For instance... some quarterbacks will get many more opportunities to build stats based on their scheduled competition. Some have coaches who LIKE to run up the score whenever possible when the game is truly no longer in doubt. Some teams have to play certain players longer than they'd want because they don't have much depth otherwise. Many teams are one-dimensional in nature and don't run balanced offenses. Should a particular player be penalized in these situations? Particularly if he has a history of truly excelling for what he is called upon to do, and in as many situations as he can?
3. What about the title "game manager"? Do you think this is a negative or a positive if the games he manages are... wins and NO ONE can match his record in the win-loss column? Are there any other leadership or intangibles that should count towards swaying the Heisman voters opinions?
Thanks for taking time to read, those of you who have an attention span longer than a humping ferret. Rock on.
But since I know you probably won't, here are some additional points and questions to ponder:
1. Should the voting be based on talent and ability? Or production? What about lack of "negative" stats? Emphasis on team wins and losses? Or division/conference/national championships? I think you can make arguments for all of these. Can you name any single player - it doesn't automatically have to be a quarterback - who is at or above his peers in all of these categories?
2.Do you think that "opportunity" should be factored in? For instance... some quarterbacks will get many more opportunities to build stats based on their scheduled competition. Some have coaches who LIKE to run up the score whenever possible when the game is truly no longer in doubt. Some teams have to play certain players longer than they'd want because they don't have much depth otherwise. Many teams are one-dimensional in nature and don't run balanced offenses. Should a particular player be penalized in these situations? Particularly if he has a history of truly excelling for what he is called upon to do, and in as many situations as he can?
3. What about the title "game manager"? Do you think this is a negative or a positive if the games he manages are... wins and NO ONE can match his record in the win-loss column? Are there any other leadership or intangibles that should count towards swaying the Heisman voters opinions?
Thanks for taking time to read, those of you who have an attention span longer than a humping ferret. Rock on.
Posted on 11/11/13 at 10:44 pm to BamaDude06
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Not only that, but lets look at AJ's interceptions. Against VTech White slipped as he was making his cut. Ole Miss Vogler slipped as well. Only the one against Colorado was a mistake by AJ.
Well the one against VT was a bad throw. White slipping only stopped him from breaking up the pick, it was still a bad throw.
The one against CSU was when AJ was running and trying to throw it away. Bad throw when trying to throw it away yes, but he was also about to get flattened and didn't have time for semantics.
The one against Ole Miss was on Vogler completely though.
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