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re: Chizik's Selfishness Almost Destroyed Auburn's Program According to PF and Will

Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:29 pm to
Posted by Dice410
Metro NashVegas
Member since Aug 2012
1260 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:29 pm to
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I doubt this will be negative toward AU at all.....I have afeeling we are about to learn some things about chizik


EXACTLY
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
19096 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:53 pm to
Not really interested in reading any dirt on Chizik. The program went to shite, but appears to be headed in the right direction now. I would rather look ahead and not behind
Posted by AU66
Northport Al
Member since Sep 2006
3264 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:54 pm to
Chizik was the perfect coach for that 2010 team, did a great job keeping that team together. I`m sure there was jealousy of the credit Gus was getting though. Just as a long term program manager he was far too flawed, i keep thinking back to what Paul Rhodes said when he got to ISU "We had to teach them to block and tackle"
Posted by Dice410
Metro NashVegas
Member since Aug 2012
1260 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 2:56 pm to
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We had to teach them to block and tackle


WOW!
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28297 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:01 pm to
I would like to have more insight on how it went to shite so quickly. I would prefer for the article to come in May. As long as it's not NCAA shite, it really doesn't matter. I doubt the players will be shocked by anything in it. Our guys lived it on a daily basis.
Posted by blzr
MB
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:02 pm to
Jay Tate has described most of it already, just not a lot of detail.
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:04 pm to
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i keep thinking back to what Paul Rhodes said when he got to ISU "We had to teach them to block and tackle
Yup. To be honest his lack of belief in player development and fundamentals in tackling were 2 of the biggest issues I had with him.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42574 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:07 pm to
Go on
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17324 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:22 pm to
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i keep thinking back to what Paul Rhodes said when he got to ISU "We had to teach them to block and tackle"
Apparently, the guys Chiz left Rhodes at ISU were much better learners than the guys there now
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:24 pm to
People at Iowa St saw this coming for us when we hired Chiz. He brought the same mistakes with him from ISU to Auburn. LINK
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Finally. After two years of holding my tongue and being a good soldier I can put it all out there regarding what I've thought from day one about former Iowa State football coach Gene Chizik.

When Chizik was hired, I told some media colleagues in confidence that his stay at Iowa State would be three years maximum. Either he would fail miserably and be fired or he would have a little success and jump on the very first opportunity that came along to move back south. Now I must admit, even I am surprised at the bizarre turn of events whereby he failed miserably at Iowa State and still got to jump on the very first opportunity that came along to move back south. What the hell Auburn is thinking is anybody's guess. And who cares. Because it just unburdened Iowa State of its most unprepared, overmatched and incompetent head coach of the modern era.

The red flags began popping up almost immediately. When Chizik said that winning is hard everywhere - that it was hard to win at Texas and Auburn, too - you knew he had no comprehension of the task at hand. Chizik's resume is built on winning with superior players, something anybody can do. It's not hard to win at Texas or Auburn; it's hard to lose. When he was given the third-highest assistant coach salary pool in the Big 12 and immediately set about hiring his old buddies for jobs they weren't qualified for at a pay rate twice what he could have gotten them for, you knew he was playing head coach instead of actually being one. When Chizik told the players he inherited that he wasn't going to come down to their level, his legacy of all-hat-no-cattle sound bites was in motion. Few of those players had ever been part of anything as wretched as the two seasons Chizik presided over. He'd have been fortunate to have them bring him up to their level. And when he made the players spend 20 minutes of the first spring practice of 2007 precisely lining up their helmets, you wondered if a real life Captain Queeg hadn't taken over the ISU football program.

Chizik's game day performance speaks for itself and his Saturday state of confusion was boderline comical, if you subscribe to the idea that it's better to laugh than to cry. He might someday have the mental capacity to manage a game as head coach, but it's not there yet. The next opposing coach that Chizik outsmarts will be the first. Without superior athletes, he was rendered impotent as a coach and when all three phases became his ultimate responsibility, he gagged on it. Chizik coordinated defenses at Auburn and Texas; but as a head coach, all he coordinated was disarray. The Cyclone sideline resembled a fire drill more often than not in crucial situations and the number of delay of game penalties and wasted time outs that could be attributed to him and his staff was a career's worth, not two season's worth. The defense was ultimately dumbed down not so the players could understand it, but so the coaches could manage it. And even then they failed.

Would Chizik have eventually been able to win more games at Iowa State and perhaps even get to 6-6 and a bowl game? Maybe, eventually. Had he at least been stubborn enough not to quit, it was possible. After all, he had a brilliant rebuilding plan in place - get better players. Who could fail with a plan like that? But when you consider the games that his Iowa State teams choked away against very beatable opponents these last two autumns, even better players might not have mattered. Because the players he had at Iowa State were collectively good enough to go .500 or better in each of his two seasons in Ames. He and his coaching staff were the problem, not the players. Had the coaches been as good as the players, ISU would have won more games. Even if the players were horrible - say 5-19 horrible - that still means that Chizik and his staff generated a grand total of zero wins with their talent. The players, of course, were not 5-19 horrible, which means the reality is that Chizik and staff cost Iowa State victories as opposed to making them happen.

Iowa State had some good individual talent on its coaching staff. I was impressed throughout the past two seasons by coaches like Tony Petersen, Scott Fountain, Jay Rodgers and Mike Pelton. But when the CEO is swimming in confusion and the coordinators are ten years past their primes and their primes weren't all that good to begin with, there's only so much individual position coaches can do. When word came down that Petersen was losing his job in the staff reorganization, it was clear evidence to me that ability didn't carry much weight in the Cyclone football organization. Instead, clearly, it was a lot more about being part of Chizik's confederate clan than it was about coaching ability.

A two-word phrase will serve as Chizik's epitaph when it comes to his burying his dismal tenure at Iowa State: "firmly entrenched." That phrase was part of his disingenuous explanation regarding comments attributed to him by a Dallas radio show host by way of an Oklahoma State assistant coach. Now, those comments supposedly made by Chizik about being sorry he took the ISU job may have indeed been false. Or they may have been true. Whether they were ever spoken or not doesn't matter, they were definitely being thought. The truth was, Chizik couldn't have been less firmly entrenched at Iowa State. If the Chiziks even bothered to fully unpack, it would be a stunner to me. Never has someone so obviously had an eye on the exit immediately after coming through the entrance.

Posted by Nortizzle
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:31 pm to
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Paul Finebaum's


frick that guy. Makes his money off the gullible and weak minded. And that count Tammy.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17324 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:34 pm to
Wonder what opinions this guy is keeping to himself nowadays. The 'Clones have an excellent shot at having a worse record this year than they ever had under Chiz - and the Big 12 is far less competitive at the national level now than it was in '07-08.

Since their close losses to Texas and TTU, they've been outscored by 129 points - in three games.
Oh, and for all the "5-19" crap they've blamed on Chiz in the last five years, they are currently 3-13 in their last 16 games...
This post was edited on 11/7/13 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13364 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 3:53 pm to
I still think it was all because he was too soft on the players and that allowed for the players to become to laid back. Then they didn't work as hard and it showed on the field. There is no way he didn't teach them to block and tackle or that the players were too dumb to learn the plays and systems. Its more likely they halfway listened and when the season started going down hill, from their lack of devotion, they just gave up.

I just don't see how he could change so much from the way he was as a DC unless it was the HCs keeping his players inline instead of him.
This post was edited on 11/7/13 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:02 pm to
I heard in 2011 that Chiz was actually somewhat jealous of the credit Gus got for his roll in the 2010 season and somewhat insecure about it as well. Chiz wanted more credit and his stamp on the program and listened less to others and more to his ego.

Anyway, that said, I really appreciate and like Chiz. As a whole he did a LOT for our program. Not only the Natty, but an overachieving 2009 as well as really pulling the program out of the dumpster. Tubs left us in horrific shape with only 70-72 scholarship players. It was like we were coming off severe probation. Chiz brought together the staff and was the head coach that rebuilt the foundation and honestly had a good, AWESOME, so-so, and terrible year. All in all, it was not a bad 4 year run and he set us up player wise for this year and next (along with his staff and Gus in particular).
Posted by ellitor
Member since Sep 2012
14285 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:05 pm to
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I heard in 2011 that Chiz was actually somewhat jealous of the credit Gus got for his roll in the 2010 season and somewhat insecure about it as well. Chiz wanted more credit and his stamp on the program and listened less to others and more to his ego.
Yup. Obvious for anyone who read his book.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:10 pm to
I've never read the book. Was told what I said by my parents. Maybe they got it from friends that read his book. Dunno.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22371 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:11 pm to
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I just don't see how he could change so much from the way he was as a DC unless it was the HCs keeping his players inline instead of him.


it all starts at the top.... for all of Tuberville's faults, the dude had tough/physical football teams. Chizik's defenses were not as physical at Texas in large part b/c Mack Brown's style compared to that of Tuberville.
Posted by allin2010
Auburn
Member since Aug 2011
18151 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:14 pm to
I like Chizik, but his EGO got in the way. He got very little credit for the Nattie as most went to Malzhan and Cam. He immmediately stopped taking questions at Alumni Meetings, Scholarship meeting and on the radio. That told me a lot.

Chiz's attitude changed and he started putting himself and his minions into meetings, (There was reports of folks getting kicked out of meeting) etc. and constantly changing the game plan, etc.

In 2011, we won the USCe game with "American Football" which was what he wanted. Gus was not turned loose until the Bowl Game and I do not remember the score, but we rocked.

Malzhan left and I certainly believe a lot of that dealt with Chiz's changed attitude.

Chiz wanted nothing to do with a hot shot O-coordinator and we got Lefty..
Posted by blue66
Member since Mar 2013
69 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:24 pm to
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1) Stop listening to Pawwwl (this is for your benefit)

2) Stop making threads (this is for our benefit)


Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38018 posts
Posted on 11/7/13 at 4:29 pm to
https://twitter.com/LarsAndersonSI/status/398439717554769921

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Lars Anderson
?@LarsAndersonSI
Spent all day yesterday at Auburn. Gus Malzahn opened up his entire program to me. Story hopefully to come soon in SI describing turnaround.


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