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The Final :42 Seconds... Play For OT Or Not?
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:08 am
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:08 am
Let's debate.
My take... Given our poor field position, Mauk's multiple near interceptions, and our kicking inadequacies, I had no problem playing for OT.
I'd rather have Mauk on a short field with unlimited time, than trying to go 50-60 yards in 40 seconds with USCe defensing accordingly.
You have to play to your strengths.
So IMO it wasn't gutless to just take the game into overtime. It was the percentage play.
What say you??
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:12 am to Mizz-SEC
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! South Carolina had all the momentum going into OT, and we couldn't stop them with Shaw at QB. If the game came down to a field goal I knew we were in serious trouble, Baggett isn't a good kicker, and cost us 6 points tonight
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:20 am to Mizz-SEC
Gutless. Any amount of time that that game is extended benefits only SC. I almost would have gone for 2 in the first OT. I almost would have gone for it on 4th. The more that game dragged on the more it favored SC.
GP showed he had no faith in the team by not at least trying. I absolutely playing not to lose instead of playing to win and will never support doing so. End it at any and every chance you have.
It is possible to throw the ball down field and do it safely.
I frankly put that move by GP right up there with calling timeout twice thinking you can draw a defender offsides and freeze your kicker in the meantime and calling for a fake punt on 4th and 13 on your own 30 in a close game when you haven't been able to run the ball all game.
GP showed he had no faith in the team by not at least trying. I absolutely playing not to lose instead of playing to win and will never support doing so. End it at any and every chance you have.
It is possible to throw the ball down field and do it safely.
I frankly put that move by GP right up there with calling timeout twice thinking you can draw a defender offsides and freeze your kicker in the meantime and calling for a fake punt on 4th and 13 on your own 30 in a close game when you haven't been able to run the ball all game.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:35 am to Mizz-SEC
It was gutless, but I don't think the staff had much faith in Mauk. If that's the mistake, so be it.
If it's me I take a few shots, worst case scenario is a pick six or an int followed by a short drive. Dunno what Pinkel's mindset was.
If it's me I take a few shots, worst case scenario is a pick six or an int followed by a short drive. Dunno what Pinkel's mindset was.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:40 am to Mizzeaux
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re: The Final :42 Seconds... Play For OT Or Not? (Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:35 am to Mizz-SEC) It was gutless, but I don't think the staff had much faith in Mauk. If that's the mistake, so be it. If it's me I take a few shots, worst case scenario is a pick six or an int followed by a short drive. Dunno what Pinkel's mindset was. For relaxing times...make it Suntory time.
I go back and forth on my thinking.
Bottom line, we missed a lot of opportunities to seal this game.
SC hung tough, and got the win.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 12:42 am to reedus23
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Any amount of time that that game is extended benefits only SC
Unless, of course, Missouri scores a touchdown after the SC field goal in the second OT.
Did you hear Matt Millen's comment prior to Mizzou's FG to go up 17-0? He said Pinkel called it to settle the team after they blew the preceding play in the OLine confusion. It's the same thing with taking it to OT.
SC had all the momentum with 40 seconds to go in regulation. And our first play damn near blew up on us. Pinkel then took it to OT, things settled, and Mizzou scored impressively. The game should have been won right there with the 4th and 15, but the defense blew it.
Pinkel made the right call, but poor defensive coaching / execution cost them the game.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:11 am to Mizz-SEC
I agree with the call. In my opinion, or offense struggled tonight. The WR's dropped some balls that should have been caught. Mauk made some bone-head throws and get lucky a few times they didn't get picked. But, the games over. There is nothing we can do now, but shake this game off. Pick up our heads, and prepare for UT next week. I don't like Mauk being the QB. I think there is potential there, he just needs some work. Call me stupid, but that is my opinion. Hopefully this team doesn't sit on this game for too long and let it mess with their heads and come out next week and lose their next game.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 2:15 am to Mizz-SEC
That scenario is one of the toughest late game scenarios. Ultimate hindsight is 20-20 call, IMO.
If GP gets aggressive and Mizzou turns the ball over, he's an idiot for not playing for OT.
If he plays for OT and Mizzou loses, he's an idiot for not going for the win in regulation.
If I'm Pinkel..........I play it the way he played it tonight, I have to say.
If GP gets aggressive and Mizzou turns the ball over, he's an idiot for not playing for OT.
If he plays for OT and Mizzou loses, he's an idiot for not going for the win in regulation.
If I'm Pinkel..........I play it the way he played it tonight, I have to say.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 7:15 am to TbirdSpur2010
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If I'm Pinkel..........I play it the way he played it tonight, I have to say.
I agree. Don't want to toss it down the field and risk INT...then Shaw will have a chance to put his team in FG range.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:50 am to Mizz-SEC
On topic, Pinkel did the right thing.
Off topic, Pinkel didn't miss the fieldgoals. It should not have come down to OT. If there is blame to be handed out, it's the defense could not identify and react to the screens USC were running. For what ever reason, those screens and passing to the TE's in the middle are what killed this defense and eventually cost Mizzou the game. That and being restricted on offense.
Off topic, Pinkel didn't miss the fieldgoals. It should not have come down to OT. If there is blame to be handed out, it's the defense could not identify and react to the screens USC were running. For what ever reason, those screens and passing to the TE's in the middle are what killed this defense and eventually cost Mizzou the game. That and being restricted on offense.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:10 am to jafo
Sorry guys but :42 Seconds ball on the 25 with 2 time outs in college is plenty of time. Each possession is gold and Pinkel pulls this shite too much. Punts from the 35, kneel downs to end halves etc... Plus that what if he threw a pick excuse is pure BS. What if we fumble in OT or throw a pick on the 2 passes we make on the last drive in OT, were we afraid to throw a pick and lose there?
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:15 am to Mizz-SEC
It's the whole playing not to lose versus playing to win. This staff regularly plays not to lose and that's just not my style.
Yes the first play almost blew up but that was because of the play that was called. They weren't going downfield at all. They were already playing not to lose and it almost cost them. Show some damn confidence in your team and develop a killer instinct.
Oh, and they didn't score the TD in OT. That's the whole point. The longer that game goes on, the more it favored SC. No question SC had the momentum and that's why it favored them and you take any chance you can to avoid that momentum.
Pinkel made the gutless decision and it, along with defensive coaching/execution, along with special teams, along with dropped passes, along with a million other things cost Mizzou the game.
Yes the first play almost blew up but that was because of the play that was called. They weren't going downfield at all. They were already playing not to lose and it almost cost them. Show some damn confidence in your team and develop a killer instinct.
Oh, and they didn't score the TD in OT. That's the whole point. The longer that game goes on, the more it favored SC. No question SC had the momentum and that's why it favored them and you take any chance you can to avoid that momentum.
Pinkel made the gutless decision and it, along with defensive coaching/execution, along with special teams, along with dropped passes, along with a million other things cost Mizzou the game.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 11:30 am to Tackle74
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Sorry guys but :42 Seconds ball on the 25 with 2 time outs in college is plenty of time.
I won't lie. There's a part of me that feels that way. But with a freshman QB, and thier secondary tighting the throwing windows, they more or less shut the downfield passing down. Mauk just is not good enough at this point to lead an offense down the field in that amount of time. shite, they couldn't even convert a 3rd and 3 to ice the game. Mauk cannot audible at the line to offset what the defense is showing.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 5:35 pm to jafo
Once Pinkel has the lead he will always coach like a little chicken s**t and let competitive teams back in the game.
Thats why we were tied at this point. Then he made a decison very reminiscent of Derek Dooley's decision last year against Mizzou. Bagget has a strong leg, he only needed about 35 yards in 40+ seconds to give him a shot at a long FG.
But now that I have that rant out of my system, I still think Pinkel is a good coach with a few bad qualities like stated above. And I like this team, and think they still have a great shot of getting to Atlanta. Probably need the Cocks to lose at least one game though.
Thats why we were tied at this point. Then he made a decison very reminiscent of Derek Dooley's decision last year against Mizzou. Bagget has a strong leg, he only needed about 35 yards in 40+ seconds to give him a shot at a long FG.
But now that I have that rant out of my system, I still think Pinkel is a good coach with a few bad qualities like stated above. And I like this team, and think they still have a great shot of getting to Atlanta. Probably need the Cocks to lose at least one game though.
Posted on 10/27/13 at 5:48 pm to RocketBallz
I think if Franklin was in he probably would have tried to get a field goal. But Bagget being Bagget, laces out or not, he pretty much is not a clutch kicker. He has proved that much last night. Go to OT, make a score and hope....hope your D can make a stop.
Thats all you can realistically ask Mauk to do. It's what happened. Kicker just didn't come through.
But as I said, the offense couldn't even gain 3 yrds. for a first down to ice the game. What makes anyone think they could have drove the required distance and kick a field goal to win in regulation?
Thats all you can realistically ask Mauk to do. It's what happened. Kicker just didn't come through.
But as I said, the offense couldn't even gain 3 yrds. for a first down to ice the game. What makes anyone think they could have drove the required distance and kick a field goal to win in regulation?
Posted on 10/27/13 at 7:07 pm to jafo
Odds are odds you are more likely to gain some yards and get a chance for a game winner and not go back to an even game that OT is. We had a better chance to kick a FG with :42 left the USC had in a pick. You cannot win if you don't play and setting on that lead was not playing. Game situation also dictated going for a score. USC had ALL the momentum and OT plays into their hands. Hell as a road dog OT is ALWAYS in your favor on top of the momentum.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 10:10 am to Tackle74
I agree with all the posters pointing out that 42 second with two time outs is an eternity. Our offensive and defense play calling was scared. We played to not lose and not to win.
You can't compete like that.
Shaw had a bad knee and mobility issues. So, we drop the pass rush and go to a three man front? What the hell was that?
My old coaches were pretty clear -- play to the whistle. period.
You can't compete like that.
Shaw had a bad knee and mobility issues. So, we drop the pass rush and go to a three man front? What the hell was that?
My old coaches were pretty clear -- play to the whistle. period.
Posted on 10/28/13 at 6:25 pm to panzerfahre
Derek Dooley had the same dilemma last year in Knoxville. He made that choice also
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