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Why Do Most High Powered Spread Offenses Have Weak Defenses?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:36 pm
What's the disconnect here? Teams like Oregon, A&M, WVU, Baylor, etc.. typically have pretty weak and bad defenses? Is it there some inverse relationship between spread offensive minded head coaches and their defenses?
Imagine if a team like Oregon or Baylor had a strong defense. Like a FSU or Alabama type defense. It would pretty tough to stop.
Imagine if a team like Oregon or Baylor had a strong defense. Like a FSU or Alabama type defense. It would pretty tough to stop.
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:37 pm to gatorhata9
Defense has to be on the field longer, more tired and whatnot
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:37 pm to gatorhata9
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What's the disconnect here? Teams like Oregon, A&M, WVU, Baylor, etc.. typically have pretty weak and bad defenses?
I can help you understand one of those teams but its not what you want to hear.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:38 pm to gatorhata9
I'd guess it has to do with practice. If you're going up against a spread offense in practice you'd likely have a bend/don't break type defense, because setting everything up to have some real run stopping scheme against your first team O in practice is pretty counterproductive for development.
ETA: In practice you're not going to put the D 8 in the box on your offense that airs it out 75% of the time. You may do some of that on Monday/Tuesday practices for specific games, but the D overall if going to be tuned to play against your offense.
ETA: In practice you're not going to put the D 8 in the box on your offense that airs it out 75% of the time. You may do some of that on Monday/Tuesday practices for specific games, but the D overall if going to be tuned to play against your offense.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:38 pm to gatorhata9
oregon and baylor's defenses aren't "weak"... granted, they're not top 10 or anything.
This is Oregon's best defense in their current run of success.
This is Oregon's best defense in their current run of success.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:38 pm to beaver
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Defense has to be on the field longer, more tired and whatnot
That could be a potential reason. But they're typically smaller as well. I remember Auburn pushing Oregon around on the lines in the NCG.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:38 pm to gatorhata9
not always weak defenses, but the opposing team gets more time and possessions to score more points than the other offensive systems, so stats are skewed
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:38 pm to gatorhata9
There is a limited number of resources. Coaching salaries, coaching hours, time, energy, talented players, etc etc etc.
If you focus primarily on offense, defense is bound to suffer. And vice-versa
If you focus primarily on offense, defense is bound to suffer. And vice-versa
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:39 pm to beaver
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Defense has to be on the field longer, more tired and whatnot
I think it's pretty much this simple. Those big boys get tired. Spread offenses both move the ball quickly and stall quickly, it forces defenses to play more minutes and with less rest between possessions.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:40 pm to gatorhata9
quote:Oregon and Baylor are both top 10 in ypp given up and ranked ahead of Bama.
Imagine if a team like Oregon or Baylor had a strong defense.
The high powered offenses also mean more plays for the opponents.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:40 pm to lowspark12
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oregon and baylor's defenses aren't "weak"... granted, they're not top 10 or anything.
stand corrected... BU is #7 in scoring defense... #11 in total defense.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:40 pm to Mizzeaux
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I'd guess it has to do with practice. If you're going up against a spread offense in practice you'd likely have a bend/don't break type defense, because setting everything up to have some real run stopping scheme against your first team O in practice is pretty counterproductive for development.
That's why they have scout teams.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:41 pm to gatorhata9
Corch Irvin Meyers had some boss defenses in the Tebow era.
There's no direct correlation. Good defenses exist with or without a good offense.
For example, Baylor and Oregon have good defenses this year.
Sometimes high-powered offense score too quickly and it keeps the D on the field longer, but that doesn't make the D "weak".
There's no direct correlation. Good defenses exist with or without a good offense.
For example, Baylor and Oregon have good defenses this year.
Sometimes high-powered offense score too quickly and it keeps the D on the field longer, but that doesn't make the D "weak".
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:41 pm to lowspark12
quote:Their schedule is so bad, it is really hard to gauge them at all.
stand corrected... BU is #7 in scoring defense... #11 in total defense.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:42 pm to gatorhata9
Consistent top recruiting classes = more talent on scout teams
More talent on scout teams = better practice for defense
More talent on scout teams = better practice for defense
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:43 pm to beaver
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Defense has to be on the field longer, more tired and whatnot
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:43 pm to gatorhata9
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Why Do Most High Powered Spread Offenses Have Weak Defenses?
What's the disconnect here?
TOP can play a factor when the goal of your offense is 100% to score as fast as you can. It just creates more possessions for both team each game and that leads to more points.
Also I think the team on the other side of the field also plays with a sense of urgency on offense that they might not normally have. I felt like this in the Alabama, Texas A&M game. I felt like Alabama's offense played with a sense of urgency the entire game because of the offense on the other side of the field.
Also, there may be something about practice. Seems that for teams with high powered spread offenses sometimes their defense seems unprepared or unable to stop more physical offenses because they don't practice against it. That's why teams that run a spread attack like Auburn runs (power running) I don't think has the same defensive problems as say a team like WVU or Baylor with their more air raid offenses (although Baylor's D looks good on paper this year - but they have played absolutely nobody).
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:44 pm to gatorhata9
Talent dispersal has something to do with it too. If you get, on average one five star and let's say 8 four stars and you deploy them as follows, 6 to the offense, that disparity in allocation has consequences.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 3:46 pm to WDE24
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Their schedule is so bad, it is really hard to gauge them at all.
true... their schedule gets tougher, but they're far from "weak" as the OP suggested.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:02 pm to beaver
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beaver
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Defense has to be on the field longer, more tired and whatnot
Might be on to something...
Oregon thru 7 games has an Avg Time of Possession of 26 min which leaves their defense on the field for the remaining 34 minutes.
TAMU thru 7 games has an Avg T.O.P of 28 min which leaves their defense on the field for the remaining 32 minutes
Contrast those 2 teams with Alabama which T.O.P is 33 min a game which leaves the defense on the field for the remaining 27 minutes
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