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re: Why did LSU beat A&M but Bama did not?

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Posted by cyde
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:48 pm to
Intangibles don't exist.
Posted by Wideman
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:49 pm to
A&M was about to murder LSU. LSU could not stop anything. anything. for the first quarter and a half. I think Manziel had 200 of his 275 yards passing through the first 20 minutes of the game.

Then LSU made some defensive adjustments that was able to contain the run up the middle and some of the short, quick passes.

In other games, when Manziel took off to run, he would typically find some space up the middle or take off to the corner and pick up the first down. However, against LSU, the D-line and LBers were too fast and did not allow him to reach the corner and turn it upfield.

Manziel finished with 27 yards rushing. He was running for his life in the backfield the rest of the game (after the first 20 minutes) and he couldn't find any running lanes. He couldn't pick up those first downs with his legs. This caused him to make some very uncharacteristic mistakes.

That's the reason LSU beat A&M even though Mett overthrew our receivers by 5 yards on roughly 30% of his throws.

UF has a great defense and played A&M in Manziel's first ever game. Bama doesn't have as fast a front 7 as LSU... and Manziel was able to pick up those first downs with his feet pretty easily... or he was able to get some space and find the open man. Against LSU, he didn't have any space.
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 1:51 pm
Posted by AngryBeavers
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:52 pm to
This really needed to be a thread?
Posted by VernonPLSUfan
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:53 pm to
Johnny Football said yesterday on the Dan Patrick show that LSU's defense was the fastest/quickest defense ATM played this year.
Posted by ShreveportHog94
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:55 pm to
LSU was the better team in all 3 of those games and let one play each keep them from beating both UF and Bama. 9 out of 10 Bama still beats AM but just didn't get it figured out until it was too late.
Posted by bigDgator
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:57 pm to
Turnovers are going to be the most telling stat, but I think Bama's OC is terrible and tries to throw too much.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 1:58 pm to
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Posted by DvlsAdvocat
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:03 pm to
Why did Bama beat LSU, but A&M did not?
Posted by jpsig64g
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:09 pm to
Posted by Schwaaz
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:19 pm to
Nick Saban wanted Johnny to win the Heisman. What Nick wants he gets.
Posted by Bham4Tide
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:30 pm to
Texas A&M didn't beat Bama. We beat ourselves.



Didn't you know that?

Posted by TreyAnastasio
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:55 pm to
Hey OP, who is Stoops recruiting at Cleveland Heights?
Posted by TxTiger82
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 2:57 pm to
LSU's D is faster and more athletic.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:04 pm to
To be honest, it is because LSU has a much better D. They're faster, stronger, and more consistent.

Also, their D Coordinator is the best in the business, while Bama's DC looked completely lost while JFF made him look foolish.

LSU is a better football team, plain and simple.
Posted by stho381
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:15 pm to
quote:

Why did LSU beat A&M but Bama did not?


Couple reasons:

1) You can't play against Manziel and that offense while lining up with 4 down linemen. LSU realized that after the first quarter and went to a mustang package with 3 down linemen, 3 LB, 5 DB. While Bama usually plays a 3-4 defense which works against Manziel if you watched the Florida game, Saban and Smart decided to move a LB up as a down linemen to get pressure off the corner in an effort to make Manziel throw it quicker than he wanted to. Wrong move. I was watching the game and was absolutely stunned that they didn't pick that up from the LSU and Florida games. You can't rush Manziel, only contain him in the pocket with your DEs and get push with the DTs.

2) Bama didn't have the personel at DT to push through and move Manziel out the pocket. It's no secret that Bama doesn't have outstadning DL play individually, they all just play well as a unit, but there was no consistent DT presence to collapse the pocket.

3) Bama is coming off an emotional comeback win against a big rival. There is always a lag effect for both LSU and Bama the week after they play easch other.

4) LSU ran the ball and didn't try to have Mett win the game for them. When LSU was down 12-0, they still kept pounding on aTm and wore them down. For some reason Bama thinks the ball in McCarron's hands is more effective than in Lacy or Yeldon's. THey finally realized it isn't against UGA. He's good for a PA pass here and there, but Lacy and Yeldon running behind that OL are what makes them successful, not McCarron throwing the ball.

5) Wind. There was a 15mph wind blowing the length of the field at aTm when LSU played there. Both QBs were missing throws long and short depending on which way they were going.



I am by no means an expert, but these were my observations between the two games. I think the biggest issue was #1, becasue it allowed LSU to contain Manziel and not let him convert 3rd downs, which he did at will on Bama.
Posted by Lumberg321
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 3:42 pm to
It was a scheduling conspiracy by the SEC against Bama. THey made em play TAMU immediately after the LSU game.
Posted by Burma Jones
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:42 pm to
LSU didn't have to play LSU the week before...
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 4:44 pm
Posted by leoj
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 4:56 pm to
I agree with the OP, if bama had stuck to the ground game more they had a better shot at winnin. flip side to that though is our secondary is worse than our run game. just a very weird game and comparison overall. interesting to see how the lsu and bama games play out next year.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 5:02 pm to
because LSU physically beat bama down. If bama plays a&m before they play LSU bama steam rolls them by 20.

LSU physically whipped the shite out of bama but bad in game coaching from lester miles killed his great game plan and his players effort.
Posted by TidalForces
Yellow Springs, OH
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 12/11/12 at 6:18 pm to
most of these have been covered already but whatever.

1) the LSU game the week before. no other team bama played was as tough as LSU, and you cannot discount the physical toll this took on the team. this doesn't even take into account the psychological residue the game left. i'll assume that it's pretty hard to keep the next opponent in perspective (despite saban's best brain-programming efforts) when you feel you've managed to beat the toughest opponent on your schedule in such a dramatic fashion (oh hi 20 first quarter aggie points).

2) lack of offensive adjustments by nussmeier.

AJ's relatively stellar performance up to that point was a double-edged sword. pre-A&M he was reliable and/or clutch when it counted, which surely played into the mentality of having him try to win it through the air. A&M going up 20 points early also contributed to a sense of panic and urgency to score as quickly as possible (oh hi there, interceptions).

bama's D did a tremendous job of adjusting after the first quarter, holding A&M to just 9 points and scoreless for 2 quarters. other than the first quarter blitzkrieg, the defense kept the score manageable. if nussmeier had taken this into consideration, he could've switched to the power run game/playaction plan, which i'm sure would've worked out better despite eating up the clock.

unfortunately, when they did break out the rushing game, they got...

3) TJ Yeldon fumbling away what seemed to be a scoring drive. This fumble wasn't what caused bama to lose overall, but i think it can be characterized as the moment any realistic hope of a bama victory vanished into the ether. cue more panic, momentum loss, shift of focus away from the ground game. Despite the first turnover he was involved in being AJ's fault, this turnover pretty much negated Yeldon as a real factor on offense.

4) Johnny Manziel just being Johnny Manziel; A&M taking advantage of the situation as a good team should & playing turnover-free ball. they kept their composure in a hostile environment, which was reflected in only 4 penalties for 26 yards vs 6 penalties for 56 for bama. there are a lot of things bama did/didn't do that cost them the game, but A&M playing the overall better game and creating/cashing in on opportunities was as big a factor as any on this list.

do i think if the schedule was reversed and LSU had to play A&M immediately after they played bama that their result would've been reversed? yeah, probably.

but i also believe that any team having a game like that before A&M would've likely lost as well. beaten up and worn out and having to play the aggies right when they start clicking on all cylinders? i can't see any team in the SEC as a lock in that scenario.

still, that's all "ifs" and "buts". the reality is that LSU beat A&M and bama beat LSU and A&M beat bama. what does this mean, exactly?

my only conclusions are that any top SEC team could beat any other top SEC team on any given day if the stars align just right. college football is crazy.
This post was edited on 12/11/12 at 6:20 pm
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