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How good is JFF's arm?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:22 pm
I was thinking about how he might project to the next level. Honestly, the best comparison that I can think for Manziel is Michael Vick.
Vick, of course, went #1 in the draft, but Vick has a legit cannon of an arm. What kind of arm does Manziel have? I've seen the guy play several times now, but it's tough to get a read on a guy's arm strength unless you're really paying attention to certain throws. And I haven't because I've mostly been completely dumbfounded that I was witnessing a white man run that goddamn fast.
Talk to me.
Vick, of course, went #1 in the draft, but Vick has a legit cannon of an arm. What kind of arm does Manziel have? I've seen the guy play several times now, but it's tough to get a read on a guy's arm strength unless you're really paying attention to certain throws. And I haven't because I've mostly been completely dumbfounded that I was witnessing a white man run that goddamn fast.
Talk to me.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:24 pm to bobbyray21
he has an average college arm. It would be well below average for the NFL.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:25 pm to tmc94
Is it definitely going to hurt his draft stock?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:25 pm to bobbyray21
manziel doesnt have a cannon. hes accurate though. if he wants to go to the NFL, he needs to develop his arm strength
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:26 pm to bobbyray21
Watch some of his big throws: LINK
He has incredible accuracy and touch, which is completely overshadowed by his scooby doo runs.
He has incredible accuracy and touch, which is completely overshadowed by his scooby doo runs.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:26 pm to bobbyray21
Has lots of room to improve arm strength. Accuracy is great though
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:26 pm to WestCoastAg
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he needs to develop his arm strength
Arm strength is something you either got or you ain't got, right?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:28 pm to Projectpat
He has a decent arm.
Biggest flaw for him is his size. I know drew brews can be a comparison but his arm is probably the best in the league.
But too early to tell. Call back in two to three years when he is up for the draft.
Biggest flaw for him is his size. I know drew brews can be a comparison but his arm is probably the best in the league.
But too early to tell. Call back in two to three years when he is up for the draft.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:29 pm to Projectpat
You tell me. He's thrown at least 2, maybe 3 75+ yarders and several 40+ yarders
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:29 pm to bobbyray21
it can be improved. it will never be great, but he can defiantly improve it
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:30 pm to cjared036
His arm is good enough IMO.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:36 pm to bobbyray21
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Arm strength is something you either got or you ain't got, right?
Yes and no.
The improvement in his mechanics demonstrated his arm was stronger than it appeared originally. And he still has room to improve there.
He doesn't have a cannon, but his arm strength isn't poor at all.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:44 pm to boXerrumble
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His arm is good enough IMO.
Agree
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:51 pm to bobbyray21
Pretty accurate and weak.
Although his downfield shots have gotten exponentially better.
Although his downfield shots have gotten exponentially better.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:51 pm to bobbyray21
Considering he zips so many of those off balance across the body style throws that are more arm strength than technique, I would say it is at least decent. I am sure it will get better under A&M's excellent S&C coach.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:54 pm to DWag215
Also should be noted the kid's a ball player, as in baseball.
You'd think that would indicate some level of arm strength. But from what I've seen, it's just not really there.
Again, though, shots down field are night and day to what they were.
You'd think that would indicate some level of arm strength. But from what I've seen, it's just not really there.
Again, though, shots down field are night and day to what they were.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 5:58 pm to mrnegative
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He's thrown at least 2, maybe 3 75+ yarders
Yards after the catch doesn't matter in terms of arm strength. Very few college or NFL QB's can throw a football 75 yards. I doubt that Manziel is one of them. For example, and unofficial NFL record: The longest pass in the air was 83 yards thrown by Don Meridith to Bob Hays. LINK
Posted on 11/27/12 at 6:04 pm to DWag215
the best comparison I have seen is comparing JFF to Doug Flutie.
Comparing him to Vick is pretty bad imo. Vick is the kind of quarterback that will only do one of two things, either he will go for the big pass to make the yardage / score or he will take off and make the big play with his feet.
JFF is different, because he is patient enough to get the 5-10 yard passes or whatever the defense will let him get. This is the same MO that Doug Flutie had at Boston College, but most people seem to only remember the hail mary pass.
Comparing him to Vick is pretty bad imo. Vick is the kind of quarterback that will only do one of two things, either he will go for the big pass to make the yardage / score or he will take off and make the big play with his feet.
JFF is different, because he is patient enough to get the 5-10 yard passes or whatever the defense will let him get. This is the same MO that Doug Flutie had at Boston College, but most people seem to only remember the hail mary pass.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 7:48 pm to bobbyray21
Good enough to set almost every record in college football. Enough said.
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