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Explanation for TAMU's hot starts and average to bad 2nd halfs
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:44 pm
Lack of coaching adjustments by TAMU?
Coaching adjustments by opposition?
Players getting tired?
First time seeing a Sumlin system?
First time seeing Manziel?
Coaching adjustments by opposition?
Players getting tired?
First time seeing a Sumlin system?
First time seeing Manziel?
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Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:47 pm to barry
Actually he threw some good long balls in UA game. If he can do that consistently, gonna be hard to beat. Stack the box get burnt. Play soft and he's the leading rusher.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:48 pm to barry
Usually the first couple of series are scripted. With their up tempo offense and a scripted plays it puts the defense on their heels.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:48 pm to barry
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Lack of coaching adjustments by TAMU?
Coaching adjustments by opposition?
Players getting tired?
First time seeing a Sumlin system?
First time seeing Manziel?
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:49 pm to barry
I think it's motly attributed to opposing defenses making adjustments and getting used to the fast-paced offense. I'm interested to see the sustainability of the A&M offense against SEC elites over the long haul. I'm not so sure it takes LSU 3-4 series to settle in on D like they did this year.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:50 pm to barry
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Coaching adjustments by opposition?
Players getting tired?
First time seeing a Sumlin system?
First time seeing Manziel?
These. I think A&M slows down a bit from getting tired. And the opposition makes adjustments. And also in the last 3 SEC games, A&M has jumped out to big leads which takes away some motivation.
But on the last 4 drives against Bama, A&M still moved up and down the field into the red zone on 3/4 drives. So it is not really like they had a bad 2nd half against bama.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:51 pm to barry
Two things:
1: It isnt a "bad" second half if you're already up by 4-5 scores. Our second half stats were less impressive in our blowouts because we benched everyone.
2: The only "bad" second halfs have come against UF and LSU. Bama wasnt a bad half, it was just less than the arse beating over the first fifteen minutes.
1: It isnt a "bad" second half if you're already up by 4-5 scores. Our second half stats were less impressive in our blowouts because we benched everyone.
2: The only "bad" second halfs have come against UF and LSU. Bama wasnt a bad half, it was just less than the arse beating over the first fifteen minutes.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:53 pm to barry
Compared to last year, our 2nd halves have been incredibly good this year.
I'd say coaching adjustments more than anything, especially the UF game.
I'd say coaching adjustments more than anything, especially the UF game.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:53 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Teams have a really hard time adjusting to the tempo of the offense, they are suprised by the the number of weapons we have and most importantly JFF is faster and quicker in person than he is on film and teams just have to make adjustments.
We call it "shock and awe"
They also find out that if they dont play contain they will be burned. A couple DEs early in the Bama game rushed up the field and Johnny just immediately got loose
We call it "shock and awe"
They also find out that if they dont play contain they will be burned. A couple DEs early in the Bama game rushed up the field and Johnny just immediately got loose
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:54 pm to Roger Klarvin
I still don't think A&M's offense has been "shut down" outside of the Florida game. It's certainly been slowed down, but we still had some good drives against Bama (might I even say ball control drives).
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:56 pm to barry
Mostly we have outcoached during the week which has led to hot starts. For instance, the under robber look that Snyder thru in this week confused McCarron for quite a while. Bama makes a lot of intermediate reads and this really disrupted it. But after they had a chance to see it more they realized it created opportunities deep and they were able to take advantage. We did the same thing to LSU going empty set most of the first quarter vs the 4-3.
We don't have the players just yet to just line up and beat Bama or LSU or UF. We have to outscheme. But once they adjust to what you are doing, you can't practice and prep an entirely new gameplan.
We don't have the players just yet to just line up and beat Bama or LSU or UF. We have to outscheme. But once they adjust to what you are doing, you can't practice and prep an entirely new gameplan.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 4:59 pm to DallasAg2011
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JFF is faster and quicker in person than he is on film
I was shocked in the 1st quarter of the AU game. AU defenders had him several times and ended up tackling air. Made me say holy frick! several times.
I warned a gump buddy JFF was no joke. He chuckled and said bama would break him in half and bama NEVER loses contain. Said bama would win by 20. I warned him several times though and told him A&M would put up around 30 points. JFF's elusiveness is ridiculous.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:02 pm to tmc94
This is such a troll question?
How come A&M may slow down and not burry 3 of the top 6 defenses in the country?
Does anyone really expect a serious answer to this? Should A&M score 80 points on Bama, 52 on LSU and 68 on Florida based on 1st quarter scoring stats?
Everone who isn't in the top ten in defense has been burried early and burried late w/ no let down.
How come A&M may slow down and not burry 3 of the top 6 defenses in the country?
Does anyone really expect a serious answer to this? Should A&M score 80 points on Bama, 52 on LSU and 68 on Florida based on 1st quarter scoring stats?
Everone who isn't in the top ten in defense has been burried early and burried late w/ no let down.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:37 pm to barry
We've had 4 bad halves. Here's what I'd say about each:
Florida: new coaches, new schemes, fish qb making his first start, and we were using maybe 30% of the playbook. Also, I think we attempted maybe 3 downfield passes all game. (I guess the coaches were afraid of TOs?) Florida figured they could stack the box because we couldn't threaten deep and that was that. But again, we weren't even close to firing on all cylinders.
Ole Miss: we never really stopped moving the ball (9-15 on 3rd down), we just had a crap ton of TOs.
LSU: they have a ton of speed on defense, which is always gonna make it tough to move the ball. Even still, we managed to move it okay in the 2nd half, but had a couple of promising drives killed because LSU forced a couple of TOs, we made some boneheaded plays, had some bad penalties, and missed a couple of FGs when we actually did drive well enough to get into scoring position.
Bama: never really did shut us down. In the final 3 quarters, this is what went down
2nd quarter: we only got 1 possession. Drove ~60 yards and then turned it over on downs because our kicker sucks and we were afraid to attempt a FG.
3rd: we didn't do much.
4th: we scored 1TD, 1FG, missed a ~35 yard FG, and had a couple of 3 and outs. We should have had 12 points if our kicker was semi decent, which is a fine quarter on the road against a top 5 D.
Florida: new coaches, new schemes, fish qb making his first start, and we were using maybe 30% of the playbook. Also, I think we attempted maybe 3 downfield passes all game. (I guess the coaches were afraid of TOs?) Florida figured they could stack the box because we couldn't threaten deep and that was that. But again, we weren't even close to firing on all cylinders.
Ole Miss: we never really stopped moving the ball (9-15 on 3rd down), we just had a crap ton of TOs.
LSU: they have a ton of speed on defense, which is always gonna make it tough to move the ball. Even still, we managed to move it okay in the 2nd half, but had a couple of promising drives killed because LSU forced a couple of TOs, we made some boneheaded plays, had some bad penalties, and missed a couple of FGs when we actually did drive well enough to get into scoring position.
Bama: never really did shut us down. In the final 3 quarters, this is what went down
2nd quarter: we only got 1 possession. Drove ~60 yards and then turned it over on downs because our kicker sucks and we were afraid to attempt a FG.
3rd: we didn't do much.
4th: we scored 1TD, 1FG, missed a ~35 yard FG, and had a couple of 3 and outs. We should have had 12 points if our kicker was semi decent, which is a fine quarter on the road against a top 5 D.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:44 pm to barry
I see people talking about this a lot, but they are forgetting that this is a team game and there are two sides to the ball. In the games where Manziel has been perceived as getting off to a fast start and fading, the half of the equation that is being ignored is what's happening when the other team's offense is on the field. Manziel got off to a fast start Saturday because Bama sandwiched three and outs around an interception. Combine some good play by Manziel with the defense getting no relief from their offense holding the ball and you've got a very bad combination for the opposing team.
Now, having said that, I think Manziel has really grown a lot in the last few weeks. He made throws from the pocket against Bama that he didn't make against LSU or Florida. You expect progress as a player gets experience, but it usually takes a season, and not a few weeks, for it to be so noticeable.
Now, having said that, I think Manziel has really grown a lot in the last few weeks. He made throws from the pocket against Bama that he didn't make against LSU or Florida. You expect progress as a player gets experience, but it usually takes a season, and not a few weeks, for it to be so noticeable.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 5:54 pm to tmc94
Other than JFF's real speed vs practice squads give their coaches some credit for good plans. The SEC has good coaches that adjust but they have taken advantage by scoring a lot early.
Also just the law of averages. 20-0 can't happen in every quarter against anyone, much less good teams.
Also just the law of averages. 20-0 can't happen in every quarter against anyone, much less good teams.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:10 pm to twk
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He made throws from the pocket against Bama that he didn't make against LSU or Florida.
nb4overrated
Posted on 11/12/12 at 6:56 pm to 1984Tiger
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He made throws from the pocket against Bama that he didn't make against LSU or Florida.
Those two teams have better secondaries than bama.
Mizzou and Tennessee were the only teams that completed a pass that traveled more than 30yds in the air against UF.
This post was edited on 11/12/12 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:08 pm to srotaG adirolF
Should also be stated that A&M punted once on Saturday. They started missing kicks. Should have scored 16 in the second half.
Posted on 11/12/12 at 7:53 pm to t - cam
What a preposterous question.
Was A&M supposed to score 80 against Alabama, or is it expected the A&M offense should score at a slower pace?
Please note that A&M outscored Bama in the 4th.
Was A&M supposed to score 80 against Alabama, or is it expected the A&M offense should score at a slower pace?
Please note that A&M outscored Bama in the 4th.
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