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re: Tuscaloosa Shooting, 1831 Bar, Up to 16 severe injuries
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:13 am to WDE24
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:13 am to WDE24
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Based on this and the quote from the paramedic, sounds like it was a small caliber weapon. Any gun experts able to tell from the grainy photos what kind of weapon it is?
Looks like an AK frame weapon, but injuries as described by the EMT sound consistent with a shotgun loaded with birdshot which sounds like a Saiga shotgun. Saigas are manufactured in Russia and are a shotgun version of the AK-47. The EMT said "buckshot" but 00 Buckshot is .33 caliber and would have left rather large exit wounds.
Wiki on Saiga-12 The Saiga is also available in 20 gauge, which would also be consistent with the relatively low amount of damage.
ETA: Probably using a 10 round magazine. And edit again to correct 00 buck size relative to caliber.
This post was edited on 7/17/12 at 10:19 am
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Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:15 am to Five0
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Video of the guy leaving.
This guy wanted to get caught and either hoped to be famous or wanted suicide by cop. He is just strolling around casually still holding his gun after the shooting.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:15 am to WDE24
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Based on this and the quote from the paramedic, sounds like it was a small caliber weapon. Any gun experts able to tell from the grainy photos what kind of weapon it is?
Someone already mentioned that it was a Saiga, which is a magazine fed, semi-automatic shotgun built on an AK-47 platform. That would be a good guess from what I can see as well. I would also guess that it's a .410 Saiga, because of the sound reported as well as the injuries.
.410 is about as small as you can get for a shotgun load, and it isn't as loud. People said they heard pops (like party poppers), and I can tell you if he was firing 12 gauge buckshot at that rate, you'd have heard it across town.
Also, depending on the distance, it makes sense that there were less serious injuries. If you spray .410 into a crowd, you're gonna hurt a lot of people, but your chances of killing someone are a lot less.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:16 am to CaptSpaulding
Good point on the 410, I forgot they made that version.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:17 am to MaroonOldCrow
Someone with a Saiga is probably shooting a lot of shells, and buying cheaper loads...read bird/clay pigeon loads. Many small wounds, many folks hit, and as few serious injuries. It fits.
ETA, what Spaulding said.
ETA, what Spaulding said.
This post was edited on 7/17/12 at 10:18 am
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:18 am to CaptSpaulding
Thanks for the info, I hadn't read the whole thread.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:19 am to Monticello
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For 17 people to be shot and no one dead so far, it was probably a small caliber rifle like a .22 or something and the shooter was pointing at legs and feet mostly. Has to be some sick in the head fricked up dude. At least he did not go Columbine execution style.
It's not necessarily a smaller caliber thing but you're right for the most part. Thank God he isn't a good shot, I really feel someone could have done so much more damage in that situation.
To be honest the way he is wielding the weapon it looks like an AK-47.
Edit: It makes sense that its a Saiga, no wonder no one was killed.
This post was edited on 7/17/12 at 10:22 am
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:20 am to Hugo Stiglitz
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Alabama crime is out of control
I guess just like Virginia Tech crime is out of control and Littleton, Colorado crime is out of control too. There is a big difference between gang violence, thefts, drug shootings, etc and a crazed/mentally insane madman walking up to a bar with an assault rifle and shooting at everyone he sees trying to flee.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:21 am to RollTide MJ
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RollTide MJ
Maybe, or know your name at least.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:23 am to Choot em Tiger
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You come off as a pussy who obviously has a dick stuck in his a-hole by nick Saban.
Wow.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:26 am to Monticello
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Monticello
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Wow
Yup.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:26 am to WG_Dawg
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Maybe, or know your name at least.
well i guess that will have to remain a mystery then.
I only know one UGA fan and he's a buddy of my brother.
This post was edited on 7/17/12 at 10:29 am
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:28 am to WDE24
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Any gun experts able to tell from the grainy photos what kind of weapon it is?
It looks like it is designed like a cheap/low grade assualt rifle, but they make those things in a large variety of calibers. Might be as small as a .22 or as large as maybe a .223. Both can kill, but a shot to the legs would not kill you unless it hit a big artery.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:29 am to RollTide MJ
Ha ok. Your username makes me think I know though, and now I'm curious lol. Where did you grow up?
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:31 am to WG_Dawg
This post was edited on 7/17/12 at 10:36 am
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:31 am to RollTide MJ
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I only know one UGA fan and he's a buddy of my brother.
Yeah we haven't met but if you are who I think we have a mutual friend.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:31 am to MaroonOldCrow
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injuries as described by the EMT sound consistent with a shotgun loaded with birdshot which sounds like a Saiga shotgun. Saigas are manufactured in Russia and are a shotgun version of the AK-47.
At first I was thinking there is no way that he fired 17 shots with a shotgun, but it would make sense if he only fired 6-10 shots with the shotgun and the birdshot sprayed a lot of people. But they are also reporting larger bullet wounds in people's backs more consistent with a rifle. Tough to say.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:32 am to RollTide MJ
Oh nvm, not you then ha. The person I'm thinking of is from around alabaster.
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:34 am to Monticello
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At first I was thinking there is no way that he fired 17 shots with a shotgun, but it would make sense if he only fired 6-10 shots with the shotgun and the birdshot sprayed a lot of people. But they are also reporting larger bullet wounds in people's backs more consistent with a rifle. Tough to say.
Yeah there is definitely a lot of conflicting info with the weapon and wounds. Only thing I can think of is an AK-47 with a shotgun attachment. You know, COD style.
I would think that a saiga shotgun could def be the weapon though as they do look similar
Saiga
Ak-47
Posted on 7/17/12 at 10:35 am to Monticello
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But they are also reporting larger bullet wounds in people's backs more consistent with a rifle. Tough to say.
Depends on range. If he shot them in the back with a shotgun at 2 or 3 feet, it'd leave a pretty big hole, even with #6 shot.
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