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re: How long before TAMU or MIZZOU are contenders in SEC football?
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:50 pm to Monticello
Posted on 6/30/12 at 12:50 pm to Monticello
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We respect confidence even more than being realistic.
Well, that isn't entirely true. If it was, Arky would be the most beloved school here.
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Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:04 pm to Monticello
A&M and Mizzou are in different places right now.
Mizzou has currently the best staff in their history which has been there for a while, a lot of experience on both sides of the ball, and a decent recent record against the SEC. Oh and they got the best player in the country this spring. They enter the SEC on a high note.
Meanwhile at A&M we have a new coach after two failures with an offensive scheme that no one knows how it will work in the SEC, little experience in key areas (like D line or DB), and a crazy bad losing streak against SEC teams. For us to be supremely confidant about next year wouldn't be boastful, it would be crazy.
What we can be is hopeful about is the future. Sumlin seems to know what he needs to win in the future even if he lacks it now. Recruiting is up, our new AD is great, and we intend to put real money into making our program more competitive.
I only know a few A&M fans that feel that our future is what our fellow Big 12 Texans are telling us it will be- life in the basement. Most feel that we have what it takes to compete long-term, and this is our shot to get over the hump and cash in on our program's potential.
Mizzou has currently the best staff in their history which has been there for a while, a lot of experience on both sides of the ball, and a decent recent record against the SEC. Oh and they got the best player in the country this spring. They enter the SEC on a high note.
Meanwhile at A&M we have a new coach after two failures with an offensive scheme that no one knows how it will work in the SEC, little experience in key areas (like D line or DB), and a crazy bad losing streak against SEC teams. For us to be supremely confidant about next year wouldn't be boastful, it would be crazy.
What we can be is hopeful about is the future. Sumlin seems to know what he needs to win in the future even if he lacks it now. Recruiting is up, our new AD is great, and we intend to put real money into making our program more competitive.
I only know a few A&M fans that feel that our future is what our fellow Big 12 Texans are telling us it will be- life in the basement. Most feel that we have what it takes to compete long-term, and this is our shot to get over the hump and cash in on our program's potential.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:11 pm to cardboardboxer
July 1st
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:14 pm to cardboardboxer
Mizzou's best chances are over the next few years. They've got a good staff and catch the gators and vols in a down cycle. Long term I think they will be fighting for 3rd place in the east most years.
The Ags will be contenders in 3-5 years. They are breaking in a new coach and will take their lumps in the SEC just like the hogs have. They have been touting their potential for as long as I've been a hog fan(since 1969,) they just never seem to quite get over the hump--very much like Arkansas to be honest. Long-term they will be much like the hogs: solid teams most years with occasional runs of very good to near-great teams. And they are no where near being out from under the shadow of the longhorns in my opinion
The Ags will be contenders in 3-5 years. They are breaking in a new coach and will take their lumps in the SEC just like the hogs have. They have been touting their potential for as long as I've been a hog fan(since 1969,) they just never seem to quite get over the hump--very much like Arkansas to be honest. Long-term they will be much like the hogs: solid teams most years with occasional runs of very good to near-great teams. And they are no where near being out from under the shadow of the longhorns in my opinion
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:16 pm to Mizzou4ever
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We respect confidence even more than being realistic.
Well, that isn't entirely true. If it was, Arky would be the most beloved school here.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:18 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Monticello does have a pretty serious bias against Mizzou joining the SEC. I agree though, his analysis in this thread is quite good.
I will tell you why I was not very excited about Missouri:
Desire: aTm's dream was to join the SEC. Missouri is here because the Big Ten (their more natural fit) turned them down. Fans don't run college football. Universities with elitist, academia minded administrators run college football. The Big Ten is athletically, geographically and academically by far the best fit for Missouri. The Big Ten turned you down, not because you are not good enough, but because it is ridiculously conservative and slow moving. But sometime in the next 10-20 years, the Big Ten will need to expand again and Mizzou (along with ND) will be their top target. I think your academic minded administrators will leave the SEC high and dry at around the same time all the good programs have found a home in a Big 4 conference. I don't want that negative perception and I don't want the SEC to have to pick up scraps because there is nothing left.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:22 pm to Mizzou4ever
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Well, that isn't entirely true. If it was, Arky would be the most beloved school here.
Arkansas isn't loved here because some of our posters troll the shite out of a handful of teams on the board.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:22 pm to Monticello
And the bylaws are written in such a way a one can leave with simply a proper notice. If this happens Slive (or whoever) can pursue someone from the east more aggressively. That's where he wants to expand anyway.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:40 pm to TheCheshireHog
I don't think any fanbase loves any other fanbase on this board. But I respect Arkansas because despite the fact that they are not Big 6, not in the old school club, and have never won the SEC, they are proud of their school and are not going to let LSU or Alabama people make them feel inferior.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:43 pm to TheCheshireHog
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Arkansas isn't loved here because some of our posters troll the shite out of a handful of teams on the board.
This type posting is exactly duplicated at ESPN, to a 'T'...I just assumed it was a Hog thing.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:49 pm to Monticello
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But sometime in the next 10-20 years, the Big Ten will need to expand again and Mizzou (along with ND) will be their top target. I think your academic minded administrators will leave the SEC high and dry at around the same time all the good programs have found a home in a Big 4 conference. I don't want that negative perception and I don't want the SEC to have to pick up scraps because there is nothing left.
I sincerely don't believe this will happen. Mizzou (and especially its fans) are very happy to be in the SEC. Pertaining to the academics, you are right, they would have preferred the Big 10 for the perceived academic superiority. But now that we have committed to the SEC, I think it would upset far too many people both within Mizzou and outside it for us to ever leave.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:50 pm to CavalryAg07
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July 1st
What year are we talking?
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:54 pm to Monticello
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Desire: aTm's dream was to join the SEC. Missouri is here because the Big Ten (their more natural fit) turned them down. Fans don't run college football. Universities with elitist, academia minded administrators run college football. The Big Ten is athletically, geographically and academically by far the best fit for Missouri. The Big Ten turned you down, not because you are not good enough, but because it is ridiculously conservative and slow moving. But sometime in the next 10-20 years, the Big Ten will need to expand again and Mizzou (along with ND) will be their top target. I think your academic minded administrators will leave the SEC high and dry at around the same time all the good programs have found a home in a Big 4 conference. I don't want that negative perception and I don't want the SEC to have to pick up scraps because there is nothing left.
We had a grassroots campaign to get our administrators to make the move to the SEC. Tens of thousands of emails were sent. Did you ever hear any of that for the Big Ten? We wanted to go to the Big Ten when we thought that was the only option of the table. When we found out that we had an invite from the Southeastern Conference we demanded that the move be made immediately. With the excitement around the state for the SEC move, the booster pledge excitement, and businesses that are looking to step up, there would be a riot if it was ever even rumored that we were looking around.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:54 pm to Monticello
I have a ton of pride in my school for things other than sports. Mainly that my degree is more valuable across the US than almost all the schools in the SEC, so in no way do I feel "inferior" to LSU or Bama in which their graduates will struggle more than me finding a job.
And I love A&M football but let's be realistic were not going to Atlanta this year... But soon we will be there.
Also Bama and LSU are fine schools, I said that in no disrespect. I just believe my school to be better it terms of alumni and taking care of their own.
And I love A&M football but let's be realistic were not going to Atlanta this year... But soon we will be there.
Also Bama and LSU are fine schools, I said that in no disrespect. I just believe my school to be better it terms of alumni and taking care of their own.
This post was edited on 6/30/12 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 6/30/12 at 1:59 pm to GalvoAg
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I have a ton of pride in my school for things other than sports. Mainly that my degree is more valuable across the US than almost all the schools in the SEC, so in no way do I feel "inferior" to LSU or Bama in which their graduates will struggle more than me finding a job.
And I love A&M football but let's be realistic were not going to Atlanta this year... But soon we will be there.
Also Bama and LSU are fine schools, I said that in no disrespect. I just believe my school to be better it terms of alumni and keeping care of there own.
So much arrogance from a guy who went to state.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:00 pm to BreakawayZou83
Went to State? 
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:07 pm to Monticello
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Missouri is here because the Big Ten (their more natural fit) turned them down. Fans don't run college football. Universities with elitist, academia minded administrators run college football. The Big Ten is athletically, geographically and academically by far the best fit for Missouri. The Big Ten turned you down, not because you are not good enough, but because it is ridiculously conservative and slow moving. But sometime in the next 10-20 years, the Big Ten will need to expand again and Mizzou (along with ND) will be their top target. I think your academic minded administrators will leave the SEC high and dry at around the same time all the good programs have found a home in a Big 4 conference. I don't want that negative perception and I don't want the SEC to have to pick up scraps because there is nothing left.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:21 pm to GalvoAg
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Mainly that my degree is more valuable across the US than almost all the schools in the SEC, so in no way do I feel "inferior" to LSU or Bama in which their graduates will struggle more than me finding a job.
You bought the bullshite hook line and sinker! It's only worth what the guy hiring you thinks it's worth. If you are talking Civil Engineering MASTER's Degree from TAMU #11 USA you have a point otherwise stop with the academic junk y'all like to run your mouth off about.
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:27 pm to Monticello
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I like the confidence and swagger coming from Mizzou fans. To be honest, I would rather see blind faith than the humble "please like us" approach most aTm fans seem to take with this move. Big brother Texas has really beaten the confidence out of this group and they are coming into the SEC tails tucked, heads down, trying to find acceptance. The SEC is the most arrogant, confident conference in the country. We talk trash back and forth like no other. We respect confidence even more than being realistic.
Cant stand some of the A&M guys on here.. I think a lot of us are trying to be humble, but I think a big problem is most are trying to be "accepted," even to the point of talking down on our own university because everybody gives us a hard time.. Every school has their own traditions and we have ours..
Anyway, big things are happening at A&M right now and I think our school is in the process of making a huge turnaround athletically. If you havent seen whats in the works lately at A&M or dont know much about us, check it out. Youd be stupid to think A&M isnt coming into the SEC swingin. Better believe weve got the money, the geography, the size, and the potential to succeed here. And if/when we get our act together, little gay ol' A&Ms gonna surprise a lot of people
Posted on 6/30/12 at 2:33 pm to Roaad
I think Mizzou will show a few growing pains on the road this season (DEF at SC, prob at The Swamp, and quite possibly at UT), but as they beef up both lines over the next few years through (hopefully) better recruiting, I think they'll perennially be in the Top 6 of the conference
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