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Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:45 pm to Govt Tide
Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:45 pm to Govt Tide
Yea and I'm one of them. But I know what football does for Tuscaloosa and the state in general and realize success in football trumps anything a basketball run would do....
Since the term success is relative and Alabama is on top in football as you've previously stated, I'd see 10 wins as a disappointment.
I just can't see final four success offsetting such a "down" year in football.
Since the term success is relative and Alabama is on top in football as you've previously stated, I'd see 10 wins as a disappointment.
I just can't see final four success offsetting such a "down" year in football.
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Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:46 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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I'd see 10 wins as a disappointment.
I just can't see final four success offsetting such a "down" year in football.
Oh,wow. It is dumbass day at the stadium.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:49 pm to I-59 Tiger
Really? Please explain to me how added revenue of getting to the final four would offset a season where bama would lose bowl, merchandise, and marketing revenue in football.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:50 pm to Golgi Apparatus
You clowns sell t-shirts about recruiting. You mean Alabama wouldn't go to a bowl with "only" ten wins?
Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:51 pm to Golgi Apparatus
I would trade 2 of our football NCs for one in basketball.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:51 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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Yea and I'm one of them. But I know what football does for Tuscaloosa and the state in general and realize success in football trumps anything a basketball run would do....
Since the term success is relative and Alabama is on top in football as you've previously stated, I'd see 10 wins as a disappointment.
I just can't see final four success offsetting such a "down" year in football.
Basketball is a high revenue sport too. Getting to a Final Four would get us more games on CBS and ESPN. It would likely get Gameday to start coming to Tuscaloosa. Both of which would give Tuscaloosa and UA more exposure. There are definitely benefits to elevating the profile of your basketball program.
Alabama football will always make a shite ton of money, and even if we don't have a great season this year, BDS will still always be sold out and tens of thousands of people will descend upon Tuscaloosa for the weekend of every home game. One season where the team doesn't live up to the absurd expectations of the fans isn't going to change anything. See 2010.
ETA: And to be clear, if making the Final Four next year meant a 10-2 football season, I would take that deal every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
This post was edited on 3/16/12 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/16/12 at 3:59 pm to Robot Santa
Alabamas basketball revenue for, I'm assuming 09-10, was 8.7 million.
In comparison, alabamas football revenue for 09-10 was over 129 million.
Argument over.
In comparison, alabamas football revenue for 09-10 was over 129 million.
Argument over.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:00 pm to Golgi Apparatus
I say that about football because the program is in incredibly good shape and is an absolute machine. 10 wins isnt't going to hurt football anymore than 10 wins did in 2010.
I think you underestimate what a Final 4 run would do for Alabama. Bama basketball's profile would gain much more legitimacy with national basketball prospects not to mention the money that would be generated. Football is obviously THE sport but a Final 4 does a lot for a school as well.
I think you underestimate what a Final 4 run would do for Alabama. Bama basketball's profile would gain much more legitimacy with national basketball prospects not to mention the money that would be generated. Football is obviously THE sport but a Final 4 does a lot for a school as well.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:05 pm to I-59 Tiger
Schools retain higher payouts for bowl games based on the amount of money at stake.
Naturally a better bowl plus the added revenue of said Alabama sidewalk fans buying the gear of a winning program would trump anything the basketball program could reap based on the statistics posted above.
I assume you're not actually as dumb as you are letting on and are just trying to get a rise out of me.
Naturally a better bowl plus the added revenue of said Alabama sidewalk fans buying the gear of a winning program would trump anything the basketball program could reap based on the statistics posted above.
I assume you're not actually as dumb as you are letting on and are just trying to get a rise out of me.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:09 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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Argument over.
Not really. This is more about pride than money for me. Although, as others have pointed out, a high profile Bball team would result in a higher amount of revenue. That's not going to change much for football.
I'm not referring to you, Golgi, I don't know you, but I think it's a disturbing defense mechanism by 'Bama fans to say they only care about football when one of our teams under performs. Of course we should care about basketball and baseball. We field competitive teams in these sports most years, despite this year so far in baseball and disappointments like today in basketball. If we give these sports more attention, who knows what can happen.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:11 pm to Govt Tide
I agree. I suppose it's just semantics over the perceived overvaluation of the basketball program you gave.
I feel you're looking at the issue from a prestige standpoint and I see it as which will profit the university the most monetarily.
I just don't see how a program taking in 7 mil a year is going to generate an extra 10 mil from a final four run.
On the other hand, I can see an average football season taking in 10 mil less easily from lost merchandising and other things of the sort.
I feel you're looking at the issue from a prestige standpoint and I see it as which will profit the university the most monetarily.
I just don't see how a program taking in 7 mil a year is going to generate an extra 10 mil from a final four run.
On the other hand, I can see an average football season taking in 10 mil less easily from lost merchandising and other things of the sort.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:14 pm to Golgi Apparatus
Oh,I'm the dumb one for thinking going to the Final Four and football being 10-2 is "bad year" and wrong.
Keep talking, Sparky.
Keep talking, Sparky.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:14 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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Alabamas basketball revenue for, I'm assuming 09-10, was 8.7 million.
In comparison, alabamas football revenue for 09-10 was over 129 million.
Argument over.
No offense Golgi but Alabama fans like you are part of the problem. How can you honestly think that Alabama football will "suffer" and lose money by merely winning 10 games vs. a national title? Winning a national title in football is such a crapshoot each year anyway so just because I say I'd take a 10 win season next year doesn't necessarily mean we're giving up a national title. There is still going to be nearly 102,000 in BDS each home game and fans will still buy a s###load of Alabama gear so any loss in revenue would be easily made up for by new revenue generated by a Final 4 run. Heck, the football program and its visibility actually helps in student recruitment at a lot of schools with big time football programs. Can you imagine the positive effect you put a Final 4 basketball program along side the football program?
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:17 pm to Dodgson
I understand your point. I'm just stating that i dont feel there would be a net profit in a hypothetical situation where we took an underperformance in football in order to advance in basketball.
Perhaps if we were like Louisville and made 40mil plus a year in basketball it'd be worth it. I'd certainly take it in a heartbeat if it advanced the university.
Perhaps if we were like Louisville and made 40mil plus a year in basketball it'd be worth it. I'd certainly take it in a heartbeat if it advanced the university.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:31 pm to Govt Tide
I'm a huge bama basketball fan so don't lump me in with the others. Check the past game threads and I'm sure I'm in them twice as much as you.
Its just a simple matter of numbers. When you have such a large variation like 129 mil and 7 mil any logical variation is always going to have a greater effect on the much larger number. I don't even know why we are still arguing this.
There was a total revenue of 136 million during the 09-10 season in not football and basketball.
It would take a 100% increase in basketball revenue just to offset a 5% drop in football revenue.
Clearly that kind of deviation shows it isn't realistic for the university to achieve a profit if it sacrifices football for basketball in any form.
I'm all for the basketball program succeeding, but not at the expense of football as your hypothetical situation stated.
Its just a simple matter of numbers. When you have such a large variation like 129 mil and 7 mil any logical variation is always going to have a greater effect on the much larger number. I don't even know why we are still arguing this.
There was a total revenue of 136 million during the 09-10 season in not football and basketball.
It would take a 100% increase in basketball revenue just to offset a 5% drop in football revenue.
Clearly that kind of deviation shows it isn't realistic for the university to achieve a profit if it sacrifices football for basketball in any form.
I'm all for the basketball program succeeding, but not at the expense of football as your hypothetical situation stated.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:35 pm to mizzoukills
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mizzoukills
What up troll? I heard you guys have a game going on. 38-38 at the half against a 15 seed.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:38 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Posted by Message I-59 Tiger Bama vs Creighton discussion Oh,I'm the dumb one for thinking going to the Final Four and football being 10-2 is "bad year" and wrong. Keep talking, Sparky.
Learn basic comprehension skills. I never said anything about the two combined being bad. I stated there would be a net loss by the athletic department if they switched out an "average" football season for a final four run.
You seem to be hung up on me calling a 10 win season bad. I'm just using it relatively to describe the current state of the program and the revenue that it attracts.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:41 pm to Golgi Apparatus
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Alabamas basketball revenue for, I'm assuming 09-10, was 8.7 million.
In comparison, alabamas football revenue for 09-10 was over 129 million.
Argument over.
The only loss in revenue for football if we did anything short of winning the NC would be lack of NC memorabilia.
It would be recouped in sales of Final Four memorabilia, because you know the bandwagon would swell to the breaking point if it actually happened. Plus, the elevated profile of the basketball program would pay off down the road both financially and in terms of national perception. The football program is always going to consistently make a pile of money.
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:51 pm to dapado33
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You can like basketball, but you should keep its importance in perspective relative to football. I'd go 0-32 in basketball in exchange for a 5 star defensive tackle.
but the thing is, we don't have to go 0-32 in basketball to get a 5 star defensive tackle.
having a great basketball program would only make the entire alabama athletic program better. great basketball = more exposure, more eyes watching everything alabama, making the entire program more well rounded & more attractive.
i just don't understand why we can't have a reallly good b'ball program, as well as a great football team. the two should not be mutually exclusive.
beside all of that, i just f*ckin' hate to lose at anything.
This post was edited on 3/16/12 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 3/16/12 at 4:52 pm to Robot Santa
There was a 4.17% decrease in alabamas total revenue from our national championship team to our 10-3 team.
It dropped from 129 mil to just under 123.9.
That tells me that the difference in a championship and a 10 win season nearly equals the revenue taken in from basketball.
I know its taking a large gamble that Alabama would come close to winning another championship next year but Id argue the potential profit outweighs any gains made by basketball.
Also, I messed up in saying 129 mil was football revenue in the other post. It's total athletic revenue. I think football was only 80 mil in 09-10 so an 80 mil 7 mil difference would change the numbers some.
It dropped from 129 mil to just under 123.9.
That tells me that the difference in a championship and a 10 win season nearly equals the revenue taken in from basketball.
I know its taking a large gamble that Alabama would come close to winning another championship next year but Id argue the potential profit outweighs any gains made by basketball.
Also, I messed up in saying 129 mil was football revenue in the other post. It's total athletic revenue. I think football was only 80 mil in 09-10 so an 80 mil 7 mil difference would change the numbers some.
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