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Is Slive hated as much as Beebe?

Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:33 am
Posted by TxHillsTiger
Austin
Member since Feb 2009
839 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:33 am
So, Dan Beebe is pretty much fired from his gig Disgruntled-12. I can understand why - he has pretty much run that conference into the ground by letting Texas control the money.

I see on this board, over and over, negative comments about Slive. (no, I'm not providing links, just do a search for "Slive" and you'll find pages of threads with people using the term "Mike Sleazeball Slive")

Why is that? He is the figure head of one of the top 2 conferences in the country (personally, I feel it is top, but Pac-12 programs do make a ton of money for their schools too and they are the media darlings). Is he really doing a poor job, or is the negativity stemming from different decisions he's made that have impacted certain teams? It seems to me, each school in the SEC are treated fairly within the conference - no issues compared to how Texas runs the show.

If Slive is so terrible, what could someone do in his place to improve the conference. Personally, I find it difficult to see room for improvement - the conference is healthy financially, has a decent TV deal in place, and is highly competitive. What more can be done for improvement?
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
26636 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:34 am to
For the most part, I think most people (including school administrators) have the utmost confidence in Slive leading the conference.

Fans will complain at times no matter who is in charge.
This post was edited on 9/23/11 at 10:35 am
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:35 am to
HE RIGS GAMES FOR AUBURN AND ALABAMA, YO.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72570 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:36 am to
He's going to piss off a lot of Alabama and Tennessee fans, if this move of Texas A&M to the SECw (and Auburn to the SECe) causes an end to The Third Saturday in October.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
52065 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:36 am to
The accomplishments of the SEC teams under his watch speak for themselves. I've got no problem wih him.
Posted by spslayto
Member since Feb 2004
20349 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:36 am to
quote:

He's going to piss off a lot of Alabama and Tennessee fans, if this move of Texas A&M to the SECw (and Auburn to the SECe) causes an end to The Third Saturday in October.


I guess it could always be scheduled as OOC game if that happened.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54334 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:37 am to
The only people that really don't like Slive are fans that think he helps fix games by sending directives to officials (i.e. LSU fans) or by protecting Cam Newton (i.e. mostly everyone but AU fans, but especially MSU and Bama fans). The conference has thrived under his leadership. How much credit he deserves for that is up for debate.
Posted by Bwana Whiskey
Member since Dec 2008
6777 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:37 am to
anything was an improvement over Roy Kramer
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:43 am to
quote:

or by protecting Cam Newton


Didn't Slive make Cam ineligible?
Posted by bona fide
Burma
Member since Jun 2010
8972 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:44 am to
I don't like Slive.

Some of the most recent things I disagree with

- Conference expansion
- Pushing to raises academic requirements for incoming
- New over signing rules
- Cam Newton decision.

Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54334 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:44 am to
quote:

Didn't Slive make Cam ineligible?

no
Posted by TxHillsTiger
Austin
Member since Feb 2009
839 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:45 am to
quote:

e's going to piss off a lot of Alabama and Tennessee fans, if this move of Texas A&M to the SECw (and Auburn to the SECe) causes an end to The Third Saturday in October.


I can see and appreciate that. And as an LSU fan, I am probably as biased as the next, because I think adding A&M and a WVU or Missouri would actually be better for the conference in the long run, even if it does cause some old-time rivalries to take a breather.

Also, because LSU really has no legitimate rivalry game (where both LSU and the rival feel the game is "THE" game that must be played each year) - I'm curious: do you think the Bama/TN game is more important to the conference than say, more revenue and the potential for forcing NCAA to create a play-off system? My thinking, if/when the 'super-conferences' are created, the NCAA will be forced to create a playoff system. If that does occur, we could finally see a potential of two SEC teams playing for the National Title.

Sorry - I didn't mean to hi-jack my own thread and turn it into a conference expansion discussion.
Posted by NYCAuburn
TD Platinum Membership/SECr Sheriff
Member since Feb 2011
57003 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Cam Newton decision


So that was his decision

but agree with these

quote:

Pushing to raises academic requirements for incoming
- New over signing rules



This post was edited on 9/23/11 at 10:47 am
Posted by bona fide
Burma
Member since Jun 2010
8972 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:50 am to
quote:

do you think the Bama/TN game is more important to the conference than say, more revenue


Yes, game more important

quote:

and the potential for forcing NCAA to create a play-off system?


Don't want playoff system
Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:52 am to
Maybe Bama and UT can convince 2 other schools that adding 2 teams from the west isn't the best idea.

It would take 9 votes to add Mizzou, I think.
This post was edited on 9/23/11 at 10:54 am
Posted by I Bleed Garnet
Cullman, AL
Member since Jul 2011
54846 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:53 am to
I thought the SEC made him ineligible and the NCAA came in and ruled him eligible.

my bad that was Auburn.
This post was edited on 9/23/11 at 10:55 am
Posted by winyahpercy
Georgetown, South Carolina
Member since Nov 2010
1383 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:53 am to
Slive has a lot of national respect and I would think he has the confidence of all the SEC Presidents. i don't believe that he is part of some dark conspiracy for or against any school. Beebe on the other hand carried too much water for Texas, which is why OU wanted a change. His roots are from the west coast, but he made a name for himself as the NCAA Director of Enforcement during the SMU death penalty. I'm surprised that they wanted him, because he'd know what goes on in Texas. (although I've heard that the NCAA only uncovered a fraction of SMU's violations.)
Posted by Larry Hollins
Member since Jul 2009
1545 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 10:57 am to
slive doesn't have jack shite to do with the success of the sec (except for keeping cam eligible last year). slive has nothing to do with the sec winning nc and that is what has made the conf. no. 1.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72570 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 11:00 am to
quote:

do you think the Bama/TN game is more important to the conference than say, more revenue and the potential for forcing NCAA to create a play-off system?


Obviously the current state of the rivalry isn't, but if Tennessee ever returns to full strength, the game would see massive ratings. Much in the same manner as the Alabama-Florida games of the past three years have seen. That being said, I'm not in favor of a play-off, so I wouldn't support expansion for those reasons.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54334 posts
Posted on 9/23/11 at 11:04 am to
Teams that win usually are teams that are considered the "haves" in terms of money. Slive is certainly a part of how the conference generates and distributes the revenue that keeps the member institutions happy. This money is part of what allows the SEC teams to be superior to other conference groups top to bottom, which is why the SEC is No. 1.
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