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re: Will oversigning be Nick Saban's biggest contribution to college football?
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:28 pm to RT1941
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:28 pm to RT1941
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Then if Saban tells those recruits that they will possibly have to greyshirt, then the recruit, with the advice of his family can go to school somewhere else.
Saban and his staff aren't hiding, or keeping the truth for HS players or their families.
It's ultimately up to the player and his family where that kid attends college......
Never said he was doing anything bad. And more power to him if the recruits actually know they will have to greyshirt. Unlike some of the other schools that dont tell them until after
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Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:31 pm to NYCAuburn
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Never said he was doing anything bad. And more power to him if the recruits actually know they will have to greyshirt. Unlike some of the other schools that dont tell them until after
Bottom line is the little bastards want to play for Nick Saban and they will wear the damn greyshirt if they have to just to get the chance to play for the man.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:33 pm to NYCAuburn
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I cant sleep at night because little nicky be snatching up all the recruits.
Fear the Nick.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:51 pm to RT1941
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Bottom line is the little bastards want to play for Nick Saban and they will wear the damn greyshirt if they have to just to get the chance to play for the man.
Exactly. Guys are lining up to play for him with what has to be an understanding. I really do kind of hate the practice of over signing and think that the SEC should take another step or two toward eliminating it for real but what has me confused is that the boogs have no room to talk about this practice whatsoever. Corndog fans have a lot more leeway in criticizingly others recruiting practicing.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 2:56 pm to CrimsonChin
You do realize again just because we have a lot of LOI's signed, that doesnt mean we oversigned as in the "oversigning issue" Tubs had a lot of loi's that never enrolled. He took a lot of gambles on guys who would have never made it, gradewise.
This was the whole argument i was making. People dont like the oversigning because of the guys who do enroll and making "room" for the new guys
This was the whole argument i was making. People dont like the oversigning because of the guys who do enroll and making "room" for the new guys
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 3/2/11 at 3:13 pm to bona fide
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Do you not understand why people say Saban oversigns?
LSU fans- Still mad he left
au fans - Hate Saban and all things Bama
Rest of the country- He is an easy target, at top of the game and very visible.
For the most part LSU fans have a lot less venom for Saban than they did 3-4 years ago
Winning a NC and beating him this year did a lot to reduce the insecurity
For the most part the oversigning articles are from national media types not SEC competitors... and they like to lump in all the SEC programs together no matter their level of guilt
Posted on 3/2/11 at 3:27 pm to molsusports
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For the most part LSU fans have a lot less venom for Saban than they did 3-4 years ago
Winning a NC and beating him this year did a lot to reduce the insecurity
Actually LSU beating Flordia, Alabama and Houston freaking Nutt helped reduce the insecurity of having Les Miles as your head coach.
'Cause about 6 months ago, there were many LSU fans ready to send Miles out on a fricking rail.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 3:28 pm to RT1941
that's pretty much true
If Miles continues to field good teams at LSU then 2010 will be the year he rebounded
If Miles continues to field good teams at LSU then 2010 will be the year he rebounded
Posted on 3/2/11 at 3:41 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:I think his point is that every year you start out with 105 kids on your roster... anyone that signed an NLI is bound to a scholarship that would count to the previous year, the current year or the next year(grayshirt)... Everyone else doesn't have a scholarship until it's renewed to them or revoked...
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Bama did not sign over 25.
Signing over 25 is the only way to oversign.
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Or if you dont have 25 schollies to give and sign more than that. For example, after the seniors and early NFL declares go, you still have 70 on scholarship. Then you sign 25. That is oversigning.Signing more than 25 is not really the debate. It is how many actually enroled and made it past the clearinghouse.
Tubs signed more than 25 a year but many could not even enroll, for grades and other reasons. So they were under the limit quite often and not oversigning.
I believe a few players signed as greyshirts, for alabama
IE, if you take 25 NLI's for the current class you have used 25 of your 85 scholarships... now you have 80 more kids still on the team and you have 60 scholarshipos to renew.
You can not be "oversigned" becuase scholarships are only for 1 year.
Every year every School has 25 scholarships to give out for that class if they choose, period. After that they can renew or revoke scholarhsips to stay under the 25/85 NCAA caps.
The idea of oversigning take the assumtion that a scholarship is good for 4 years, which it is not by NCAA rules. The gray part is that the NLI's are taken in Feburary and the renewals of scholarships are not until July 1st. Since a scholarhsip is not counted until the kid enrolls full time in fall, there is a period of overlap where schools have accepted more NLI's than they have room for IF (big if) they plan to renew all scholarships.
Since they are not bound to renew all he scholarships, they are not oversigned... they will just not be able to renew everyone's scholarship (be that good or bad can be debated, but it is the way the rules are written at this time).
That being said, I would agree that rules need to change to give more control to the athletes and to keep schools for abusing medical hardships...
This post was edited on 3/2/11 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 3/2/11 at 3:43 pm to Draconian Sanctions
no. I would go with
opened the door to bigtime head coaching jobs to short people.
opened the door to bigtime head coaching jobs to short people.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 3:56 pm to 94 Grad
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94 Grad
Thanks for saying it better than i could.
What I was trying to say was just because you have 100+ NLI's doesnt mean you are oversigning. It is about the enrolled athletes and what or how they make room for the new ones. I know schollies are 1 year, and I dont care about oversigning, as stated many times. But when someone says auburn or whoever has the same "oversigning debate" issue that is being talked about with saban, thats not true. They are different arguements. Saban's oversigning issue, or at least what people have issues with, is that he does not renew the schollies, he lets them go one way or another.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 4:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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will be seen as a one year renewable thing that you have to work for and earn
that is what it is, so you are saying that people will be less dumb to reality?
Posted on 3/2/11 at 4:23 pm to NYCAuburn
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Tubs had a lot of loi's that never enrolled
That's pretty much over with as an argument now though. Chiz has signed 84 in the last three years and dismissed quite a few on his own. If Auburn is under, it's on Chiz and not Tubs from this point forward, along with any cuts, such as the 8 his first year for unspecified reasons. Having said that, I'm not criticizing him for it. It's a privelege to play college ball and to have a scholarship, and if you don't hold up to your end of the bargain, someone that can should be brought in. It'd be like giving an academic scholarship to someone, them not doing a sufficient job and removing them for someone more deserving.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 5:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Nick Saban will go down as a coach who pushes the rules to the max to get an advantage. If he worked on Wall Street he would be a very wealthy man!
Posted on 3/2/11 at 5:18 pm to TenTex
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Nick Saban will go down as a coach who pushes the rules to the max to get an advantage.
lol no he wont. He will go down as a coach that won 2 BCSNC at 2 different schools. He isnt done yet either. I'm glad that you are bothered by that fact though.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 5:24 pm to Alahunter
Being dismissed for rules violations /leaving the team for a players own personal reason/ not enrolling in the first place is a little different then being cut because there are possibly better players in the next recruiting class. So the comparisons are apples to oranges on the whole issue as to why people are bitching. It would be nice if someone who really cared about the issue, like tOSU folks actually put together credible numbers and not how many recruits faxed in letters over a period of time. There are other numbers to actually create a real statistic about the issue.
And again it is not the number of the letter of intents signed its the enrollees.
And again it is not the number of the letter of intents signed its the enrollees.
Posted on 3/2/11 at 6:49 pm to NYCAuburn
I couldn't care less if they get cut. It happens in high school and junior high, and no one bitches about that. It's a one year scholarship, and they are told that before they sign. They still get a free education, what more do you want for them?
Posted on 3/2/11 at 6:57 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I don't remember many or even any college teams using the 3-4 before Saban did it so this might be another thing. Was the 3-4 ever in vogue at the college level back in the day?
I think either OU or TX used it back in the day.
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