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Stewart Mandel's Opinion on AU not benching Cam
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:35 pm
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If Cam Newton's father has admitted to soliciting money during the recruiting process, as has been reported, and the rule clearly states that soliciting money on behalf of someone is a violation, why is he still playing? This makes no sense. If the NCAA doesn't step in, others could miss out on a national championship to a team that is clearly playing an ineligible player. -- Chris, Boise
Only the Auburn administration could possibly tell us why Newton is still playing -- and it's exercising a strict "no-comment" policy. But believe me, there are a lot of folks around college athletics right now wondering the same thing. Standard procedure in these matters is to sit a player and apply for reinstatement if there are any questions surrounding his eligibility. It's what Georgia did with A.J. Green. It's what Alabama did with Marcell Dareus. Auburn, an NCAA member, is basically flouting NCAA protocol, and it sends a terrible message to the rest of college sports. If you get caught selling a game-worn jersey to a runner, you miss the first four games of the season, but if your father stands accused of soliciting six figures for your recruitment, but you happen to be in the midst of a national championship hunt -- play on. Mandel Initiative Source: SI Stewart and Mallory discuss the latest controversies at Auburn. Teddy Greenstein breaks down the Big Ten race. SUBSCRIBE The NCAA cannot step in and suspend an active player until it completes its investigation. It's up to the school to sit him and apply for reinstatement. Auburn must feel it has a compelling case as to why Newton should remain eligible. While the NCAA has officially stated that, "solicitation of cash or benefits by a prospective student-athlete or another individual on his or her behalf is not allowed under NCAA rules," there is no bylaw in its 431-page handbook that states this direct verbiage. When I asked NCAA spokesperson Stacey Osburn to cite a specific bylaw to which the above statement refers, she said, "the exact bylaw would depend on the specifics of the situation." The closest I could find is section 10.1 (c): "Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited to ... Knowing involvement in offering or providing a prospective or an enrolled student-athlete an improper inducement ..." Note that the word "parent" never appears. Auburn will likely contend that neither the student-athlete nor the staff members had any involvement in Cecil Newton's unethical conduct. But just because this exact and possibly unprecedented situation (in that there's currently no proof any money changed hands) is not stated in the book doesn't mean NCAA staffers can't interpret it as such. That's their job. Meanwhile, even if a violation did occur, nobody yet knows whether it would constitute ineligibility. I'd have to assume it rendered Newton ineligible to play at Mississippi State, but would it follow him to Auburn? We don't know. What we do know is that this is an active investigation, with both the NCAA and FBI -- yes, FBI -- interviewing key figures this week. More information is bound to come out. Either Auburn and its lawyers are daring the NCAA to declare Newton ineligible or they genuinely believe he's in the clear. Either way, they're playing with fire.
Sports Illustrated
I don't agree with everything Mandel says (he did have 'Bama beating LSU 20-6), but I recognize him as a decent sports writer and value his opinion for what it is.
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:38 pm to GeauxWarTigers
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Auburn, an NCAA member, is basically flouting NCAA protocol, and it sends a terrible message to the rest of college sports. If you get caught selling a game-worn jersey to a runner, you miss the first four games of the season, but if your father stands accused of soliciting six figures for your recruitment, but you happen to be in the midst of a national championship hunt -- play on.
Pretty much
UGA at least IMO would have had a different season with AJ the whole year
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:39 pm to GeauxWarTigers
That's pretty much spot on with how I feel.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:40 pm to Teague
They havent won one since 57, might as well try to buy one, its BCS or bust.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:41 pm to Teague
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That's pretty much spot on with how I feel.
Agreed. If it does come out that he was ineligible and LSU missed out on a shot at the SECCG and the BCSNCG, then I hope AU gets hammered so hard that they wish they had a program as good as Vanderbilt's.


Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:42 pm to molsusports
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UGA at least IMO would have had a different season with AJ the whole year
You're damn right we would've. It was a one possession game in SC with under 2 minutes left. We were tied with Arky with 1 minute left. We were close with MSU under 5 minutes left. There is no way, no how that the course of those games wouldn't have been altered if AJ had played in them.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:42 pm to Teague
quote:I think most, other than Auburn fans agree.
That's pretty much spot on with how I feel.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:43 pm to GeauxWarTigers
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If you get caught selling a game-worn jersey to a runner, you miss the first four games of the seas
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but if your father stands accused of soliciting six figures for your recruitment,
Pretty big difference there.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:43 pm to LSUTiger205
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They havent won one since 57, might as well try to buy one, its BCS or bust.
I think this is playing a huge role in this. If they were 5-6 right now, Cam would be on the bench. But, they're having a dream season, by their standards and they're so afraid of what they see happening in Tuscaloosa, they want to win now and hope it turns out all right. They see this as a chance to jump back in the limelight with Bama in recruiting and national perception and they're determined not to miss that chance.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:44 pm to TigerWoody
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I think most, other than Auburn fans agree.
Nope. A former complaince officer with the NCAA just stated on College Football Live that AU is absolutely doing the right thing in playing him right now.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:44 pm to AUTigLN11
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stands accused
I'm pretty sure coming out and admitting that you asked for money is a confession and the "accused" part is no longer valid.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:46 pm to AUTigLN11
lots of differences actually
1) admitting wrong doing for one person (AJ) not the other
2) $199,000
3) Spur of the moment wrong decision (AJ) vs cynically shopping your son (Cam?) on the other hand
Big point? SOP is to sit the player until the player is cleared... doing the opposite is what people are raising a lot of eyebrows over
1) admitting wrong doing for one person (AJ) not the other
2) $199,000
3) Spur of the moment wrong decision (AJ) vs cynically shopping your son (Cam?) on the other hand
Big point? SOP is to sit the player until the player is cleared... doing the opposite is what people are raising a lot of eyebrows over
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:46 pm to GeauxWarTigers
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I'm pretty sure coming out and admitting that you asked for money is a confession and the "accused" part is no longer valid.
You and your damned lawyer skills!
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:46 pm to GeauxWarTigers
The big difference I see is that in the AJ Greene case, there was an obvious irregularity in his bank statement, and from what I understand when asked about it, Greene was open and honest about where the money came from. So it isn't like he was saying "I didn't do anything wrong." So yes, UGA was right to sit him until things were worked out.
Right now the only thing anyone really knows is rumor and innuendo. A "source" says daddy Newton admitted to asking for money. Another source said he admitted to "talking about money" but as far as I know there is no proof so far that any of this really happened. AU is making their decision based on what they know right now, which if you strip away all the rumors floating around is not much.
I don't know about you, but if I was accused of something like counterfeiting or murder, I wouldn't want to be arrested/put in jail based strictly on rumors that are floating around, I would want that decision made on if there was credible evidence that I was involved.
Right now the only thing anyone really knows is rumor and innuendo. A "source" says daddy Newton admitted to asking for money. Another source said he admitted to "talking about money" but as far as I know there is no proof so far that any of this really happened. AU is making their decision based on what they know right now, which if you strip away all the rumors floating around is not much.
I don't know about you, but if I was accused of something like counterfeiting or murder, I wouldn't want to be arrested/put in jail based strictly on rumors that are floating around, I would want that decision made on if there was credible evidence that I was involved.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:47 pm to AUTigLN11
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If you get caught selling a game-worn jersey to a runner, you miss the first four games of the seasquote:Pretty big difference there.
but if your father stands accused of soliciting six figures for your recruitment,
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Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:47 pm to Teague
Yep, Auburn only wants to win to mimic what bama does, it's alllllllllllllllll about Bama, always. Some of you gumps are fricking amazing sometimes.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:47 pm to GeauxWarTigers
Just because its a rule violation, does it always mean he is ineligible?
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:48 pm to TigerInBamaLand
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caught
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accused
yeah, pretty big difference there.
Posted on 11/17/10 at 2:49 pm to Doldil
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Some of you gumps are fricking amazing sometimes.
I'm basing this on the past 4 years of reading stuff posted from auburn fans and your ITAT members. I'm not off base with this.
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