Snyder vs Cignetti

16-0 is the Top

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I’m a younger guy, but I was a somewhat conscious college football fan towards the tail end of Snyders run at K-State. They won with a similar dynamic to Indiana. They utilized the Kansas JUCO farm system to inject developed experienced players into the system, barely recruiting HS guys. Very well coached, few penalties, run the frick out the ball. They weren’t just feasting on Big12 North teams, they were beating OU & Texas. They were scheduling USC, Miami, etc. Snyder never could quite reach the national title game though, he’d always drop a game he shouldn’t have to prevent a berth. Which is a more impressive turnaround? 16-0 at Indiana has to be the all-time greatest.

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Although I think you'd have to give Cignetti the edge here...

It is important to realize that Snyder was way more restricted by the transfer rules. Cignetti wouldn't have done this in two years given the old system...

In fact, Cignetti basically had pretty good timing to pull this off.

Just a few years ago for a brief period... NIL was what you could get for pitching chicken fingers or doing local car commercials... You couldn't buy players with huge sums of money. You couldn't pull guys from all over the country with NIL...

Just a few years ago it would have been considered unethical to bring half your old team to your new program and kick the previous regime's players to the curb. (Thanks Coach Prime)...

But what Cignetti DID do that was amazing is take the old regime's players transfers who were not that highly sought after and turn them into great players.

Sort of like how Snyder took JUCO's and two and three stars and turned them into big time players.

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16-0 at Indiana has to be the all-time greatest.

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In the modern era, nobody has done what Cignetti just did. Best piece of coaching I've seen in a long, long time.

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Wut.

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He had no problem recruiting kids that were convicted criminals or even arrested during recruitment. They had all sorts of campus issues with his players over the years.

Snyder. Couldn’t just pay a bunch of 23-25 year olds to come play for you back then.

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He had no problem recruiting kids that were convicted criminals or even arrested during recruitment. They had all sorts of campus issues with his players over the years.

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First I’m hearing of it. But if that’s true, wouldn’t that make Snyder’s tenure more impressive? It’s harder to get a bunch of lawless scrubs to play well than squeaky-clean Boy Scouts.

I thought Miami proved last night that the blue blood approach will always be preferable to an extent. Miami had favorable matchups all over the field, their defensive line dominated. When Toney was in space, IU defenders looked frozen. Cristobal running the ball only 20 times is what lost the game in my opinion. IU had multiple huge 4th down conversions, drives extended by penalties, special teams TD, and still needed a late Carson Beck meltdown to win. All the dozen variables that lead to this result will be difficult to replicate. Especially the injury luck of Indiana with a razor thin depth chart.

They were pretty close in 2012 as well. Slaughtered Miami. Beat OU & Texas. Then got blown out by one of Art Briles Post RG3 teams. Art Briles at Baylor is another interesting coach study. 2015 Baylor was one of the best squads that never was. They were absolutely loaded with NFL talent and had an innovative run based offense. I think a dozen guys on that team had season ending injuries and they still managed to win 10 games, not to mention a bowl win over North Carolina where they ran exclusively out of wildcat.

I think the Baylor and Oregon blowouts showed that 2012 KSU team wasn't really the best in the country. They would've played Notre Dame and probably been favored, but Oregon, Georgia, and Bama were undoubtedly better teams.

They were the 2nd best team in the country at worst in 1998, and considering Bishop was the best player in the country and they were much better coached than Ohio State, I'd say they were the best.

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snyder had no morals or ethics. He was fine with taking all the criminals he could find.

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Know who else was like this ? Tom Osborne.