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The NIL and SEC decline argument

Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:01 pm
Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4598 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 2:01 pm
The big point every fan outside the SEC tries to prove is that the SEC had the dominant run because they were the only ones that paid players. Dumbass Shane Gillis was on tv last year spewing this shite and it seems every Big 10 fan on a message board runs with this as well. How about the fact that big ten and other teams can only buy championships now. The truth is everyone paid players back then. The difference was it was minuscule amounts compared to now so the best athletes in the south stayed home where they were swayed by pride and which team could get them to the NFL. Ughhh I hate the new college football, but I will never quit watching.
Posted by paperwasp
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29219 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:07 pm to
Back then if you wanted to make money, you had to get drafted.

If you wanted to get drafted, you had to develop and/or show out against elite competition to get noticed.

This was more likely to occur in leagues with superior on-the-field talent, television deals, and tie-ins.

Now if you're not quite good enough or if you don't want to put in the effort, you can just enter the portal and get paid, pretty much anywhere.

Some of these kids come from nothing and instead of changing their lives through hard work, development, education, and eventual generational wealth, they're selling their decently-athletic souls for a quick $100k and a dead end at some shithole.

Those guys could always get paid anywhere. But back then, most couldn't get PAID unless they chose carefully and really worked for it.

If left unchecked, the transfer portal will probably be the death of this sport.
Posted by Nasty_Canasta
Canada
Member since Dec 2024
4952 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

If left unchecked, the transfer portal will probably be the death of this sport.


This is it in a nutshell
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136998 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

If left unchecked, the transfer portal will probably be the death of this sport.


Sort of has.

Need guardrails. Max payouts, multi year contracts, etc.
Posted by Ptins944
Member since Jan 2019
2122 posts
Posted on 1/9/26 at 4:21 pm to
The level of shenanigans and paying within the SEC was at the institutional level, embraced by the member universities themselves.

No other conference comes close.
Posted by topcat88
Member since Nov 2015
4598 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 11:47 am to
I see Saban is reading my post now.
Posted by Loganville Vols
Loganville Georgia
Member since Feb 2021
1297 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 12:05 pm to
TV money The Big 10 gets $7 Billion over seven years. Sec gets 3 Billion over 10 years. Greg Sankey has screwed the SEC besides getting less money now we’re playing nine conference games.
Posted by TheTideMustRoll
Birmingham, AL
Member since Dec 2009
10426 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 12:50 pm to
Here are the truths that everyone needs to understand:

1. Most of the best high school football talent comes from the South.

2. It would take a hell of a lot of money to convince most people from the South to move up north.

3. In pre-NIL days, schools paid players under the table. There is a limit to the amount of money that can be moved between parties without being declared before either the IRS gets involved for tax evasion or the FBI gets involved for fraud/laundering.

4. That limit was not high enough to allow northern schools to poach the best players from the South.

5. Now, with NIL, there are no more limits. Northern schools are able to pay whatever it takes to get Southern players to come up north.
Posted by Lsu2B
Member since Dec 2025
147 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

Some of these kids come from nothing and instead of changing their lives through hard work, development, education, and eventual generational wealth, they're selling their decently-athletic souls for a quick $100k and a dead end at some shithole.

Yeah some of those kids made the ncaa billions of dollars a year. While their families were hungry
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
10241 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:18 pm to
1. The Blue Bloods became the best programs because they had success in the early modern era of football (post WWII). Almost all of them rose to prominence by the 1960s at the latest. Their success became a formula for a self-sustaining cycle.

2. Because they won the most, Blue Bloods generated the most attention and therefore the most revenue - they could sell more tickets, build bigger stadiums, hire better coaches, and attract more tv dollars (which were relatively small back then).

3. Blue Bloods typically invested in facilities and coaches decades ahead of their peers. Programs like Nebraska were ahead of their time with their state-of-the-art training facilities. This made it easier to attract higher caliber players in an era where players weren't paid (wink wink).

4. Blue Blood programs (aside from Nebraska and Notre Dame) are almost all located in high school talent hotbeds. Before NIL and the Portal, kids tended to stay closer to home. This has radically changed almost overnight.

5. Prior to the Portal and NIL, a top recruit's logical track was to commit to the best program and work his way up the depth chart over the years. So the Alabamas and Ohio States of the world often had better second or third-string players than the starters at smaller P5 programs. Now, those 5* sophomores who couldn't crack the rotation has financial and scouting incentives to transfer to a smaller program, start earlier in their career, and potentially get paid millions of dollars. This more than anything else has leveled the playing field. I used to watch Mizzou hang with the Nebraskas or Oklahomas of the world for the first half, then slowly collapse because they simply couldn't compete with the depth of their opponents.

But let's be real - top programs probably made more shady dealings in the pre-NIL era than the likes of Indiana football who probably couldn't generate enough interest in the program to justify such a risk.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7099 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

The level of shenanigans and paying within the SEC was at the institutional level, embraced by the member universities themselves. No other conference comes close.



Where is the proof of this? The entire argument is non-falsifiable anti-SEC fodder. “They were only good cause they cheated” is loser talk.
Posted by Chris_topher
Member since Sep 2012
8028 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Where is the proof of this?

Before NIL you were successful & now you are not
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7099 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

Before NIL you were successful & now you are not



There are other explanations for this, though. Correlation is not causation.
Posted by Tropicofcapricorn
Member since Jun 2021
259 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:11 pm to
Mkay..I remember the southwest conference. SMU, OU, Texas A&M..Texas... Nebraska.. Colorado
Lots of oil money and money passed around then too..and Trans Ams.. had a buddy went to SMU...told me about money being handed out like candy
Posted by HTX Horn
Houston
Member since Jul 2021
1324 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:17 pm to
We're in an adjustment period. Some programs/coaches are ahead of the curve because they have the means (IU, Texas Tech); some are behind and trying to catch up (Clemson). Some have been observing, learning, and are now responding/applying (Texas, Georgia).

The SEC isn't in decline, there's just more competition now from non-traditional sources.
Posted by D3Fan
Member since Dec 2024
171 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:18 pm to
Most SEC fans are missing another huge point. We have a true playoff now where teams have to win on the field against teams from other conferences. The media has been fed a constant narrative of SEC superiority so when we had the old system where teams were automatically placed into the finals or semifinals, it always benefited SEC teams. Who knows how many SEC teams would have won in the past under a true playoff system. Look at Georgia this year. People would have voted them directly into the semifinals when that obviously was not warranted by objective measures.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
8700 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

The truth is everyone paid players back then.



Is it though?
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
3574 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:26 pm to
Also the sec, well southeast in general produce great defensive players. Good d players are easy to evaluate. Especially Dline. Offense is much tougher to evaluate especially oline. Basically if you get a blue chip defensive lineman don’t remember actual number but it was around 80 percent chance he plays on a roster in the nfl. OLineman and qb are half that. Transfer portal has given college offenses a severe upgrade. Which negatively affects sec as well
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
7099 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

We have a true playoff now where teams have to win on the field against teams from other conferences.



Were national title games in the BCS era and semifinals in the 4 team era not played against teams from other conferences? Do those games not count? Are all titles prior to 12 teams nulll and void? Were they played at all?


quote:

Who knows how many SEC teams would have won in the past under a true playoff system.


Mathematically, adding more teams decreases the chance of a particular team from a particular conference winning the title because every time a game is played there is a chance to lose. So, yes, it is mathematically less likely that an SEC team wins it all in all of those years. That is just basic math. But we didn’t have a 12-team playoff then.
Posted by Marlboro Smooth
Member since Dec 2025
45 posts
Posted on 1/20/26 at 2:31 pm to
quote:

Are all titles prior to 12 teams nulll and void? Were they played at all?



No but they are not as "good" as wins in a bigger field
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