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Any value to continuity in Coaching any more?
Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:56 am
Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:56 am
After Bear Bryant won his first national championships in the early 60s, he had back-to-back 6-5 seasons in the late 60s.... He figured it out and came back to win three more national championships. Would he have been retained in today's market?... maybe not... Sometimes even the best coaches need time to readjust their strategies. Les Miles had a 77% winning percentage at LSU and averaged 10 wins a year. LSU was actually the winningest program in the SEC during his tenure... He probably should have had a few more years
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Posted on 11/4/25 at 6:58 am to mattloc
Good point with Les though I think lsu fans think differently. Would like to point out Dabo at Clemson. Couple NCs and now a losing record this year.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:03 am to mattloc
Is the following statement about society in general true?
Instant gratification has become more prominent, leading to less patience.
Instant gratification has become more prominent, leading to less patience.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:11 am to mattloc
People have unrealistic expectations. We have 13 teams in this conference that expect to win at least 10 games every year and make a playoff run annually. Not everyone can win that many. The biggest problem is that once a coach has a struggle year, everyone from that point on works against him and kills any chance he has to turn it around.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:19 am to mattloc
One bust at QB means you’re at a minimum on the chopping block I.e Allar, Klubnick, Lagway, Nuss
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:19 am to Landmass
Les made a few mistakes in his 11 years, but he was a top notch recruiter, and his teams played with a toughness to the last snap... Saban always made sure he had a bye week before he faced him. As an Alabama fan I was glad to see him go
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:25 am to mattloc
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Would he have been retained in today's market?
No. They wanted to fire him then, but couldn't find a suitable replacement. The game was changing, and the university wasn't changing fast enough with it as Bryant advocated for integration to stay competitive. He also admitted the his multitude of duties was burning him out. Damn near left for the Dolphins over those years for a change of pace.
But, obviously, he stayed. He adpated as did the University. And, things worked out.
But, 100% he would have been let go today.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:31 am to mattloc
I think this is a good topic.
Short answer is no. The reason is that the landscape of athletics is so fluid and the changes for some coaches that have been entrenched in their "ways" can cause them to get left behind.
Just my .02
Short answer is no. The reason is that the landscape of athletics is so fluid and the changes for some coaches that have been entrenched in their "ways" can cause them to get left behind.
Just my .02
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:33 am to Landmass
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People have unrealistic expectations. We have 13 teams in this conference that expect to win at least 10 games every year and make a playoff run annually. Not everyone can win that many.
This is almost a different language you are posting for most of the SEC. Many schools in other conferences pretty much know that the odds are stacked against them and they act accordingly. Here more than half the conference thinks they will win a national championship. It isn’t realistic. Saban’s legacy is that he created an unachievable goal for every other school in America, but since it was in the SEC, most of those schools felt the pain of being bludgeoned mercilessly.
And the ADs are trying to find that magic bullet but it’s a futile attempt. Sure there will be some years where a team is loaded and makes a run for a championship but it’s almost like teams try and win 5 natties in one year. As has been mentioned a million times, building rosters and stacking depth is next to impossible with NIL and transfer portal.
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 7:35 am
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:38 am to mattloc
Great point. The variables stacked against continuity are legion and change daily. Even the best coaches are affected by circumstances outside of their control. That said, after 4 or 5 years a program has enough data to judge the adaptability of their coach and can make an informed decision as to whether they need to retain him. Dabo comes to mind. For all the talk of him trending down and a negative public opinion, his record speaks for itself. Yes, he had a bad 2023 season and this season is sub-par, but if you look at his record since 2009 you would be hard pressed to find another active coach who has been as successful as him. If I'm a team looking for a coach, he gets the first phone call.
This post was edited on 11/4/25 at 7:48 am
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:44 am to mattloc
Depends what they’re willing to do to fix there problem. If they make appropriate changes, then an extra year or two is reasonable, which as mentioned above Coach Bryant showed he was willing to do and it paid off. If they appear stuck in their ways, no need to delay.
Exhibit A - Dabo, has clearly lost a step and has shown no signs of changing his approach. They need to raid the larder, pay him what he’s owed and get him out the door.
Exhibit A - Dabo, has clearly lost a step and has shown no signs of changing his approach. They need to raid the larder, pay him what he’s owed and get him out the door.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:53 am to ukraine_rebel
I think Tom Osborne lost 10 straight bowl games before winning 3 Natty's. Nobody has patience for that anymore.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:57 am to Wishbone85
But he was winning conference championships back when that was king, it wasn’t like he was out there floundering.
Posted on 11/4/25 at 7:59 am to mattloc
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He probably should have had a few more years
I see your point but looking back on it, his issue was that unlike Bryant and even Saban, he never adjusted. Just stuck with what he understood which works for most professions but not for 2010's football. He did the same stuff at Kansas. Definitely didn't have a chance to work there.
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