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Should playoff committee focus on what teams are the best rather than the most deserving
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:26 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:26 am
It was obvious that SMU and Indiana weren’t one of the best 12 teams in the country but everyone kept saying that they deserved to be there.
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:29 am to Meatball
The actual games have to matter.
If the games don’t matter they could just go off of recruiting rankings and Vegas lines to get the best teams in.
Wins and losses have to matter.
If the games don’t matter they could just go off of recruiting rankings and Vegas lines to get the best teams in.
Wins and losses have to matter.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:41 am to CBandits82
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The actual games have to matter.
Yeah like WHO they played idiot.
If all that matters was losses tell me why BYU with 2 losses is ranked below SMU when they best SMU at home?
You can't because you guys only care about changing the expectations to keep the teams you want out... out.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:43 am to Meatball
The playoff committee should pound sand up their ponderosas before jumping out of a qindow.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:45 am to CBandits82
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The actual games have to matter.
Okay, well there were several teams that played in more consequential games and won their fair share of them out there in the field. "Smol loss column" logic is just not viable in an age where you can't even trust the quality of individual schedules within a conference anymore. The Big Ten was a good conference this year but Indiana to play almost none of the good teams and lost badly to the one they did.
There were always schedule imbalances once round robin was inviable but at 16 or more teams, it is absolutely silly. To such a degree that conference championship games are largely a joke now because one or both of the competitors in it will have gotten there solely by catching a nut flush soft schedule.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:45 am to CBandits82
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If the games don’t matter they could just go off of recruiting rankings and Vegas lines to get the best teams in.
Exactly. A 1 or 2 loss SEC team should and WOULD have been put in over a 1 loss Indiana team because of strength of schedule. But a 3 loss team? Come on now, that is a bit much. You are devaluing the regular season way to much if you start doing that
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:46 am to scrooster
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The playoff committee should pound sand up their ponderosas before jumping out of a qindow.
Other than that Mr. Scrooster, how'd you enjoy the first round?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:51 am to CBandits82
quote:They kinda just showed they do.
Wins and losses have to matter.
11-1 Indiana, who played exactly 1 ranked team who blew them out, and only 1 team with a winning record which they beat. Play another ranked team, get blown out again.
11-2 SMU, played 2 ranked teams, lost to both. Played a 3rd ranked team, lost…badly.
10-3 Clemson, 1-2 against ranked teams, only win was against SMU, plays another ranked team, gets whipped.
I’m not sure if anyone Ohio State played last night would matter. They are pissed.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:56 am to Meatball
Who were the better teams that should have been playing? Prove your work.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 8:59 am to Meatball
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It was obvious that SMU and Indiana weren’t one of the best 12 teams in the country but everyone kept saying that they deserved to be there.
Why are you leaving Tennessee out of your opinion??
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:00 am to CBandits82
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Wins and losses have to matter.
Not all wins and losses are equal.
Do we want the playoff to have the teams with the best records? Or the best teams?
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:01 am to captdalton
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Not all wins and losses are equal.
Do we want the playoff to have the teams with the best records? Or the best teams?
You're right.
SMU lost to ranked opponents.
Bama lost to opponents that would have missed bowls without the Bama win.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:03 am to magildachunks
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You're right.
SMU lost to ranked opponents.
Bama lost to opponents that would have missed bowls without the Bama win.
And Alabama won against 3 of their 4 ranked opponents and SMU lost to all two of their ranked opponents. Cuts both ways. Ultimately, we got to be honest that the committee didn't think SMU was better than Alabama. They just thought if they didn't put SMU in the field that every conference would cancel their CCGs because they are stupid and should not exist anymore. Everyone should just play a 13th game instead.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:06 am to CBandits82
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Wins and losses have to matter.
Agreed. Otherwise, it merely a popularity contest, like the Heisman.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:07 am to BhamTigah
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Who were the better teams
I think all of the following teams would beat SMU and Indiana on a neutral field if they played this weekend and would be favored by Vegas accordingly.
Alabama
South Carolina
Ole Miss
LSU
Texas A&M
Florida
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:13 am to LetItBe
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Agreed. Otherwise, it merely a popularity contest, like the Heisman.
I hate to break it to you but until there is a large scale reorganization of top level college football there is always going to be an element of beauty contest logic in the at large selections. The current system trying to blend AQs and beauty contest doesn't work well enough. They just need to go full beauty contest with the 12 best teams until the structure of college football can be reformed into an AQ and wild card by best record format.
That will likely require 8 or so 8-team divisions and standardized nationally structured out-of-division schedules. Something akin to the NFL. The direct path to the playoffs is winning your round-robin. The wildcard just takes the best records with tiebreakers of the non-division winners. I just disagree with CCG winners being the AQs when the winner could have played only half the conference.
We're so far from that reality though...best teams with no AQs is the best system possible until conferences are dead.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 9:15 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:22 am to Meatball
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It was obvious that SMU and Indiana weren’t one of the best 12 teams in the country but everyone kept saying that they deserved to be there.
And yet you can’t say with even a 60% chance of certainty that either Bama, Ole Miss, or SC would have beaten them given that they lost to teams who probably couldn’t beat SMU or Indiana. And that is why they got left out.
All three of those teams played good at times but also played very bad at other times.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:23 am to Tammany Tom
Pretty neat we aren’t questioning the team that got their arse kicked worse than anyone
Bama fans are just a national treasure. Tennessee a team that beat them gets absolutely crushed and yet they still march on saying they deserved to be in
Bama fans are just a national treasure. Tennessee a team that beat them gets absolutely crushed and yet they still march on saying they deserved to be in
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 9:54 am to lsupride87
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Pretty neat we aren’t questioning the team that got their arse kicked worse than anyone
Bama fans are just a national treasure. Tennessee a team that beat them gets absolutely crushed and yet they still march on saying they deserved to be in
I think the CFP should be top 12 seeded by rank with no AQs which means I think Alabama would be the 11-seed going to 6-seed Ohio State and getting dismantled just like Tennessee did. However 7-seed Tennessee would have gotten 10-seed SMU at Neyland and been more likely to win.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 10:05 am to Meatball
The idea of the "best" teams are completely subjective and irrelevant.
You have millions of college football fans all with their own idea of who the "best" is at any given moment.
The playoff committee got it right. For all you know UGA would have been shut out last night by OSU or SMU would have beaten OSU etc... anything can happen on any Saturday. You reward the teams based upon the reality of what did indeed occure during the season instead of the whimsical opinion of the journalists or fans who got their feelers hurt that their team didn't make it.
You have millions of college football fans all with their own idea of who the "best" is at any given moment.
The playoff committee got it right. For all you know UGA would have been shut out last night by OSU or SMU would have beaten OSU etc... anything can happen on any Saturday. You reward the teams based upon the reality of what did indeed occure during the season instead of the whimsical opinion of the journalists or fans who got their feelers hurt that their team didn't make it.
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