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Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:36 am
The NIL, the portal, etc.... what caused it?
Among many factors, I notice that we like to blame the NCAA for this as well. But I don't understand that part. Didn't the NCAA *try* to control this? Didn't Universities, Coaches, Players, and Fans bitch about the NCAA relentlessly?
To me, it feels like the NCAA said frick it, you want to ruin this game, have at it. What am I missing?
Among many factors, I notice that we like to blame the NCAA for this as well. But I don't understand that part. Didn't the NCAA *try* to control this? Didn't Universities, Coaches, Players, and Fans bitch about the NCAA relentlessly?
To me, it feels like the NCAA said frick it, you want to ruin this game, have at it. What am I missing?
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 10:38 am
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:38 am to MtVernon
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To me, it feels like the NCAA said frick it, you want to ruin this game, have at it. What am I missing?
The NCAA could've bent and been much more flexible earlier and they chose not to address the issues. Then it ended up in the Supreme Court and the rest is history.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:39 am to Leto II
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Then it ended up in the Supreme Court and the rest is history.
Ok, so that makes sense. The NCAA was trying to hold the line, and *politics* killed this game.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:39 am to MtVernon
The courts said that the NCAA does not have the legal standing to implement the long standing amateurism rules they had in place. NCAA made absolutely no plans for that train coming down the tracks so it created an environment with very little structure.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:40 am to MtVernon
brain cells
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:41 am to Leto II
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The NCAA could've bent and been much more flexible earlier and they chose not to address the issues.
Sounds a whole lot like the PGA Tour's approach to the LIV garbage. They ignored and pushed back against every effort to work out a true World Tour, and because they wouldn't come to the table, LIV went rogue.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:41 am to MtVernon
The NCAA institutions have been making millions off of these kids for years. If they had allowed them some modest concessions, the O'Bannon suit may not have gotten as far as it did.
Not only could you not make anything off your own likeness, their rules made it very difficult to work on the side legitimately.
Not only could you not make anything off your own likeness, their rules made it very difficult to work on the side legitimately.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:43 am to MtVernon
Instead of seeing the writing on the wall and creating a viable framework for player pay, the NCAA steadfastly refused to do anything but talk about the supposed purity of amateur athletics. As a result, the Supreme Court ruling establishing NIL turned college sports into the Wild Wild West.
Of course, a complete lack of leadership was pretty much the hallmark of Mark Emmert's tenure as head of the NCAA.
Of course, a complete lack of leadership was pretty much the hallmark of Mark Emmert's tenure as head of the NCAA.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:44 am to PeleofAnalytics
it's time to cancel all sports scholarships and go back student athletes.
The unlv qb should not quit this season because he has football scholarship fromuniversity. And he is obligatedtoplay for unlv.
The unlv qb should not quit this season because he has football scholarship fromuniversity. And he is obligatedtoplay for unlv.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:47 am to PeleofAnalytics
So I think we may have not agreed with some of their moves, but the general gist is that the NCAA *was* trying to hold this together.
I will suspect that the Supreme Court was to a large degree influenced by public reasoning (liberal outcry) on this one. This could have gone the other way based on scholarships and future opportunity being awarded to players. Rationale and conviction could have easily gone that direction as well. Social outcry got into the heads of the Supreme Court.
Anyway, shouldn't we lighten up on the NCAA - and perhaps be harder on the short-sighted pansy asses that cried on behalf of the poor mistreated athletes? To me, that's who killed it - the customers. Well, maybe a portion of the customers, aided by the Left.
I will suspect that the Supreme Court was to a large degree influenced by public reasoning (liberal outcry) on this one. This could have gone the other way based on scholarships and future opportunity being awarded to players. Rationale and conviction could have easily gone that direction as well. Social outcry got into the heads of the Supreme Court.
Anyway, shouldn't we lighten up on the NCAA - and perhaps be harder on the short-sighted pansy asses that cried on behalf of the poor mistreated athletes? To me, that's who killed it - the customers. Well, maybe a portion of the customers, aided by the Left.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:50 am to Leto II
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If they had allowed them some modest concessions, the O'Bannon suit may not have gotten as far as it did.
My friend, I totally respect what you are saying, but I submit that no "concessions" were going to stop this train. We know the human race, we know how people are... this wasn't stopping until any and all perceived institutional monetary gain was removed.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:51 am to volinktown
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it's time to cancel all sports scholarships and go back student athletes.
The unlv qb should not quit this season because he has football scholarship fromuniversity. And he is obligatedtoplay for unlv.
I hate to break it to you but the courts have made a pretty clear decision on what each party is legally allowed to do. Any attempt by universities to "go back" to how things were run before is going to end up being rejected by the courts.
I don't like the results of plenty of decisions by courts but you have to realize that they are making the call here.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:00 am to MtVernon
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but I submit that no "concessions" were going to stop this train.
Not in the end, but it would've slowed it down.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:02 am to PeleofAnalytics
quote:Given the current state of the law, you are correct, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. However, an Act of Congress could change all that by amending the anti-trust laws. To do that politically would require buy in from all sides (a deal would have to include player compensation and give the NCAA or other organizing body the right to limit NIL activity), so that may not really be feasible, but it's possible in theory, anyway.
I hate to break it to you but the courts have made a pretty clear decision on what each party is legally allowed to do. Any attempt by universities to "go back" to how things were run before is going to end up being rejected by the courts.
I don't like the results of plenty of decisions by courts but you have to realize that they are making the call here.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:02 am to MtVernon
The NCAA had decades to figure something out. They simply refused and let things get to where they are now. Not sure why you're set on blaming everyone else, but the NCAA had more than enough time to try to figure something out in the middle of how things were and how things are now. They had all of the power. I'm quite happy to blame the NCAA for this shite show as they all but ushered it in with their unwillingness to change and lack of foresight in seeing this is where things would go if they didn't.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:02 am to MtVernon
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So I think we may have not agreed with some of their moves, but the general gist is that the NCAA *was* trying to hold this together.
They were trying to maintain the status quo.
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I will suspect that the Supreme Court was to a large degree influenced by public reasoning (liberal outcry) on this one.
Not sure about "liberal outcry". It seems to be a fairly conservative ideal for people to freely engage in a capitalistic free market economy and any barriers put in place might be at odds with American ideals.
I personally don't like the result because I enjoyed the ideal or fantasy of these athletes being loyal to their schools and playing for the love of the game but that just isn't reality.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:04 am to MtVernon
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Anyway, shouldn't we lighten up on the NCAA
No . . the NCAA was like a Soviet Bureaucracy. It existed to perpetuate a money making machine that benefited itself and influential athletic departments. The organization never took its job seriously, was all too happy to go after young folks and less influential programs to make problems go away for the richer athletic departments that had their hand up the NCAAs arse and made it dance like a puppet.
Just look at the Adidas Bribery scandal. The FBI actually produced enormous reams of evidence that basketball programs were actively working with Adidas against NCAA rules to pay players.
The NCAA decides to only penalize Oklahoma State out of the gates, and then dragged its feet for literally four years and then just vacated a few games to make it go away. Kansas, Duke, and others basically got to walk away scot free.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:06 am to PeleofAnalytics
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I hate to break it to you but the courts have made a pretty clear decision on what each party is legally allowed to do.
This statement pretty much says it's over. The train has left the station, and any attempt to bring it back will be litigated and abolished.
So basically, although Universities are certainly free to not "pay" for players, Alumni and supporters can do whatever they want. Suppose the Austin Chamber of Commerce creates a fund because Austin merchants want it.
It can't be stopped.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:14 am to MtVernon
The NCAA got away with the amateur nonsense for so long that they thought it would last forever. A few individual players filed suits, eventually it was kicked to SCOTUS and the rest is history.
Even though the court ruling has been a net benefit to my school I admit to liking the old system better. Of course that isn't fair to the players making millions for their school and the NCAA, but at least the game seemed a bit more pure back in those days
Even though the court ruling has been a net benefit to my school I admit to liking the old system better. Of course that isn't fair to the players making millions for their school and the NCAA, but at least the game seemed a bit more pure back in those days
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:16 am to PeleofAnalytics
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It seems to be a fairly conservative ideal for people to freely engage in a capitalistic free market economy and any barriers put in place might be at odds with American ideals.
The shame is that those barriers were not put in place for the sole purpose of selfishly enriching the schools and networks.
The barriers were there to try to make CFB an accessible and competitive environment for the schools - which you have to have if want competition.
Players would have continued to play no matter what they were given. This was never a labor market "we refuse to work/participate" issue. The Supreme Court detonated the modus operandi that (attempted) to hold CFB together.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 11:29 am
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