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LSU vs Ole Miss portal/recruiting approach. They are different. —-warning: long read
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:04 am
Posted on 9/16/24 at 10:04 am
I'm picking LSU's NIL structure vs Ole Miss' NIL structure because, in my limited knowledge about the two, I see a reciprocal difference between them.
It is going to be real interesting seeing how it all shakes out over time, because Ole Miss is going to benefit much quicker with their philosophy. The question is:
"How are they going to keep the success of portalling in great players every year?"
The difference comes down to creating NIL deals for 'proven' college players vs. 'proven' high school players.
As you know, LSU came out and said, unequivicolly that they need DLine to commit. LSU saw some great talent enter the portal, only to have some guys have a do-not-contact the moment they put their name in the hat. Their mind was set. Namely, I am talkin about LT Overton to AL and Walter Nolan to OM. Make of it what you will about tampering, but if you're not tampering, then you're not trying. I'm also saying that maybe LSU tampered with a guy or two. Who knows.
Then came the second window for the portal and LSU lost out on two or three DL. It was reported that LSU didn't want to affect their NIL market by adding guys that wanted too much. Brian Kelly echoed this. I believe it is because LSU is doing the opposite of Ole Miss, by focusing efforts & money on getting high school talent in the top rated RB/QB/WR....it did not work out with the WR. He decided on Oregon. Same with Jonah Wiliams, though I think he just likes Texas better.
So to recap,
Ole Miss is saving their powder for college players that they feel are worth the NIL since they have college film, and spending money there.
LSU is dedicating money for guys like Underwood and Berry and want the team to develop now, and reap some benefits, later.
Which works out better? Which has more risk/reward?
It seems to be working out for Ole Miss at this time. They are top 5 in the country and they knew they had some pieces to the puzzle already in Oxford. This was their year to get the other pieces ready for what appears to be a championship run. It was a smart move and they ended up with the #1 portal class.
LSU chose to wait and garner two DL that did not 'cost' as much. Now I believe these two are starting ever since J. Guillory went down in practice last week. So it was a good investment. I am not saying that Overton/Nolen/West/Barrow/Williams wanted to come to LSU. But it would be nice to have at least two of them, and I believe any of these five men would start, right now, and the current two starters for LSU would be great in rotation.
I am not forgetting Ole Miss' Princely U, either. He's a great piece. Also Ole Miss 'lost' a bunch of players that were all 247/on3 three-stars and replaced them with much higher ranked men. They did a great job of trimming and adding.
Again, it's currently paying off and leads to the next question.
Forget about Kelly's coaching miscues for the moment and not having his team ready to go for yet another game1. I'd like to focus on talent only. A disaster year can really affect the current commits. Will they even stay committed if Kelly goes with only 6 or 7 wins? Do they get lured away with Oregon or Texas money? This is not a jab at these schools, they are doing what they need to do, to get talent that they want.
Also, you've seen it before. A five star, all-world player can come in and not work out for a number of reasons physically , mentally or emotionally. That cash is obviously not guaranteed but you're back to the drawing board on another hs senior vs a guy that has college film and appears ready to go.
If you had to choose one or the other, what approach would you take? The instant pop of getting upperclassmen to transfer to Ole Miss? Or do you try to build from Highschool ranks and supplement carefully via the college player portal? Obviosly there are other combos like Swinney's HS only, Kelly's HS-heavy hybrid, or Kiffen's college-heavy hybrid.
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Posted on 9/16/24 at 12:37 pm to dstone12
Ole Miss' portal approach is also different than a lot of schools. While they do sign some one year mercs, they really try and get guys that just finished their FR or SO years and have 2-3 years left. Jaxson Dart, Jordan Watkins, Khari Coleman, Jared Ivey, and JJ Pegues are all in the 3rd year at Ole Miss. You can technically call them "portal" players but they all played way more games at Ole Miss than their previous schools so it's almost like signing a HS recruit that was able to prove themselves for a year or two. Others like Tre Harris, John Saunders Jr., Caden Prieskorn, etc. are currently in year 2. This has really helped with creating and maintaining team culture despite getting a lot of guys out of the portal. Eventually this might not work, but signing, developing, and keeping HS players can be just as much of a crapshoot.
This last class was the first time Lane really loaded up on some one and done's like Princely from UF and some OL because he knew he just needed to plug and play at those spots for a chance to make the playoff.
This last class was the first time Lane really loaded up on some one and done's like Princely from UF and some OL because he knew he just needed to plug and play at those spots for a chance to make the playoff.
This post was edited on 9/16/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/16/24 at 1:18 pm to Quicksilver
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signing, developing, and keeping HS players can be just as much of a crapshoot.
That's the problem. There's no guarantee that a HS player develops to his potential and if he does, a big program could come snatch him away. You would then be paying to develop a player that will make a difference for some other school.
Proven underclassmen seem to be a lot less likely jump ship for a second time. Sure, there are some.....but currently, they're the exception to the rule.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 9:44 am to pankReb
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This shite has been spouted for the last 3 or 4 years.
Yeah and what’s y’all’s record been the last 4 years?
Last year was y’all’s best season in school history and still didn’t win the West…probably don’t even go to the sec championship this year if we’re being honest.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:06 am to r0cky1
And just as expected….all you can muster is just low quality shitposting. 
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:21 am to pankReb
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And just as expected….all you can muster is just low quality shitposting.
Am I wrong? Next year y’all will be atrocious
Posted on 9/17/24 at 10:25 am to r0cky1
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Am I wrong?
Yes. You are wrong. Because your argument is a lazy narrative created by idiotic fans who don’t actually follow a roster over the years.
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Next year y’all will be atrocious
Funny how I’ve also heard that multiple times over the last 4 years.
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:11 am to r0cky1
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Yeah and what’s y’all’s record been the last 4 years?
32-10 counting our three games this year, which is one of the best records in the country over the past four seasons
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Last year was y’all’s best season in school history and still didn’t win the West
Breaking news: winning the SEC West is hard
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probably don’t even go to the sec championship this year if we’re being honest
The great thing about opinions is that we all have them
Also RA'd to take this thread to tRant
Posted on 9/17/24 at 11:22 am to dstone12
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Do you see a better ROI since that player will have experience and you drop two years of NIL vs Four years of seeing if he will contribute?
I see a very similar ROI since most players don't have a significant impact for four full years. Most players only impact the game significantly for two, maybe three years anyways, so why try to compete with the recruiting powerhouses of the world for high school players when we can build a similarly competitive team through the portal?
This post was edited on 9/17/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/17/24 at 12:48 pm to dstone12
If Lane could get 15 blue chips players a year he would. But Ole Miss hasn’t been able to do that. His response on the lack of elite talent is to get proven college underclassmen with multiple years of eligibility left. He will take a G5 2 year starter over a 3 star out of high school.
He also had his share of culture problems with transfers. He has done a much better job or evaluating transfers to how they fit to the culture. Tyler Baron was one. Judkins was another that wasn’t a transfer but was obviously a culture negative and not worth what he was asking.
There is a method to the madness and has been refined over the last 4 years.
He also had his share of culture problems with transfers. He has done a much better job or evaluating transfers to how they fit to the culture. Tyler Baron was one. Judkins was another that wasn’t a transfer but was obviously a culture negative and not worth what he was asking.
There is a method to the madness and has been refined over the last 4 years.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 12:05 am to r0cky1
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Am I wrong? Next year y’all will be atrocious
Yes. Look at our D Line class last year.
And guys like Austin Simmons.
We can still flip Cunningham and Dear. Next year is a rebuild but no shite it was always gonna be. We have plenty of pieces to build around for the future. And we will portal again to fill gaps.
Lots of wishful thinking to cope with the fact ole miss is set up to make a run this year.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 12:05 am
Posted on 9/18/24 at 9:52 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Lots of wishful thinking to cope with the fact ole miss is set up to make a run this year.
I don’t think anyone is saying ole miss can’t make a run. The question is whether the approach works for program stability.
I don’t know if the LSU or Ole Miss approach is better, and only time will tell in this new era of CFB. I do agree with OP though, Kelly and kiffin appear to have significantly different approaches to NIL and recruiting.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 12:20 pm to Swagga
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The question is whether the approach works for program stability.
This has been the most stable the ole miss program has been in my lifetime.
Our worst year was 8-4 and everyone was pissed. Good chance ole miss has its 3rd 10+ win season in 4 years.
LSU/UGA/Bama can still build the traditional way. Neither way is right or wrong if you end up in the same place.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 1:39 pm to ManBearSharkReb
We’ve heard for 3 seasons now “Lanes going all in on this season with transfers!”
And now people are pointing to a rebuilding year next season as proof that this doesn’t work……hilariously, one of those fan bases are in a rebuilding year this year.
And now people are pointing to a rebuilding year next season as proof that this doesn’t work……hilariously, one of those fan bases are in a rebuilding year this year.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:34 am to pankReb
We should have a ton of NIL money to use with all the players graduate/ Go pro.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 11:57 am to HottyToddy7
Yeah we have an entire private airline NIL about to open up when dart leaves.
Posted on 9/22/24 at 10:17 pm to HottyToddy7
People have to realize kids are not staying at colleges for the whole time thru it if they are not getting playing time too.. Reason getting high school kids is not the same as old times
Posted on 9/29/24 at 3:13 pm to ManBearSharkReb
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Lots of wishful thinking to cope with the fact ole miss is set up to make a run this year.
Wishful thinking huh
Posted on 10/8/24 at 9:07 pm to dstone12
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you had to choose one or the other, what approach would you take? The instant pop of getting upperclassmen to transfer to Ole Miss? Or do you try to build from Highschool ranks and supplement carefully via the college player portal? Obviosly there are other combos like Swinney's HS only, Kelly's HS-heavy hybrid, or Kiffen's college-heavy hybrid.
The right answer is a blended approach, but it will fluctuate yearly based on current roster situation and “best available” in the portal. If you can afford a guy like Nolan and other elite plug and play starters why would you roll the dice on high school kids that aren’t a guarantee to pan out? For every 5-star that turns into a can’t miss first rounder there are 10 that are average to ok college players that never really jump off the page. Yeah Nolan cost more than a high school kid, but you have SEC film on him and know how he would fit your system against SEC level talent.
Locker rooms and “culture” are built in high school recruiting traditionally, but portal guys with multiple years of eligibility left can also fill that culture roll. Dart, Tre Harris, etc on this ole Miss roster are great examples of that.
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