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Florida HC’s since Spurrier

Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:31 am
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:31 am
With all the talk about Kiffin going to Florida. I decided to look at the success rate of Florida coaches not named Spurrier.

Ron Zook: fired in year 3
Urban Meyer: 2 nattys
Will Muschamp: fired in year 4
Jim McElwain: fired in year 3
Dan Merlins: fired in year 4
Bill Napier: fired in year 3

In the last 25 years: Florida has had 5 of 6 coaches who have been fired in the middle of the season with only 1 coach making it a full 4 seasons. Florida has lost 4 or more games 15 times.

Outside of Spurrier and Meyer, Florida is an incredibly mediocre program.


Posted by Golfer1
Naples, FL
Member since Jan 2021
4920 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:33 am to
75% of the SEC would kill for just the last 25 years of their program
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
4653 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:36 am to
I’d kill for 2 nattys.
Just pointing out they haven’t really done much outside of the Urban/Tebow years.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
37905 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:39 am to
quote:

With all the talk about Kiffin going to Florida.


that's just "fan-talk". that's all we have to talk about due to our team being shite.

no one is really considering Kiffin will leave Ole Miss. you Ole Miss fans have made that clear.

would i like to see Kiffin on the Florida sideline coaching the Gators?

yes. he has a swagger to him that is eerily similar to the OBC. pair that with a potential winning mentality and record, Florida could be cooking.

but it's pretty clear that the administration doesn't care about winning or "rude" comments from the coaching staff.

what i've been sharing/posting is me just stirring the pot because, again, i have nothing better to talk about.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
13088 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:39 am to
quote:

I’d kill for 2 nattys.


You don't want the third?
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
27775 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:41 am to
quote:

I’d kill for 2 nattys.



2 nattys?

McElwain went to the SECCG in both of the only two seasons he completed at Florida.

Remind us again how many times Ole Miss has been to the SECCG?
Posted by Golfer1
Naples, FL
Member since Jan 2021
4920 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:42 am to
They have won or tied for the East division 8 times since 2003.

3 national titles the last 28 years
Posted by ManBearSharkReb
Member since Dec 2018
4653 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 9:47 am to
To be fair the SEC East has been mostly arse for 20 years. I included the titles urban won. My point is that there is an 80% the new coach at Florida wouldn’t complete his 4th season.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:13 am to
It's not just since Spurrier.

Since WW2, only Spurrier and Meyer have been "hits" as coaches.

Their coach with the 3rd best winning percentage since WW2 is... Dan Mullen.
Posted by Quicksilver
Poker Room
Member since Jan 2013
11639 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:20 am to
Wonder how often Mullen kicks himself for dropping Matt Corral for Emory Jones
Posted by DownSouthJukin
1x tRant Poster of the Millennium
Member since Jan 2014
29810 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:26 am to
His ego won’t let him.

And Kiffin is a better QB whisperer than Mullen ever was.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Outside of Spurrier and Meyer, Florida is an incredibly mediocre program.


Almost every program in America is like this. Pointing this out as if it means something is the worst take in all of these discussions.

Let's take out Bobby at FSU or Dooley at Georgia.

quote:

Will Muschamp


This is the best hire UF made. The logic for hiring Muschamp was ironclad but no one knew or had any indication that he would be bad at hiring OC's. He tried, but he was just terrible with the offense. Then he got a very bad string of luck with injuries. There may not be 3 guys in the history of CFB that know more or have been better defensive coaches than Will Muschamp. But he just screwed up with offensive hires. Muschamp grew up in Gainesville. I played football against him in youth league, briefly went to high school with him. Good guy from a good family. It's a real shame it didn't work out for him. I still remember his mom being on the field, crying, at his last game as UF coach. His father ran the high school I attended with him. He was a really good guy.

If Will ever figured out the offensive hiring bit, he would be a fabulous head coach.
Posted by generalgator87
Member since Nov 2022
479 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:05 am to
Foley's first big mistake was forcing Charlie Weiss on Muschamp. That slob was terrible. The thinking was Muschamp needed an experienced staff, but instead of letting him choose someone, Foley made Muschamp bring him on.

I will never forget Muschamp showing up to the press conference after he got fired. Took a lot of character to do that. He's the only coach I regret not working out. Amazing recruiter and defensive mind, and really cleaned up the culture issues after Meyer.
Posted by GatorNation4Lyfe
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
7301 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:26 am to
Our biggest problem the last decade and a half is that we have not found a transcendent QB. We’ve had good coaches but average to below average college QBs.
Posted by Sabans straw hat
Member since May 2022
1026 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:33 am to
It's not like these guys were winners elsewhere tho. That's what sticks out to me, the fact that they go after unproven coaches so often.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:36 am to
quote:

Almost every program in America is like this. Pointing this out as if it means something is the worst take in all of these discussions.


This is not true at all.

Take out the top two for Bama (Saban and Bear) and you still have Wallace Wade, Frank Thomas, Gene Stallings and Bill Curry. Bunch of hall of fame coaches there.

Take out the top two for UGA (Smart and Dooley) and while it's not as good as Bama... it's still pretty good. Wally Butts and Mark Richt are both excellent coaches with great winning percentages in the cfb HOF.

UGA's had just 7 coaches since WW2. Four are in the college football hall of fame. Another is Kirby Smart who has a pretty good chance to end up there. The other two are Johnny Griffith (10-16-4 in 3 seasons) and Ray Goff (46-36-1 in 7 seasons). They're the only two UGA coaches since WW2 who've won less than 60% of their games

Jim Donnan is a bit of an edge case. He's in the HOF for what he did at Marshall. But he won 67.8% of his games at UGA. He's our Mullen/Graves.


UF... they've had 13 coaches since WW2. Spurrier and Meyer were awesome.

But other than them they have 6 guys who've won less than 60% of their games (Napier, Muschamp, Pell, Dickey, Woodruff, Wolf)

They've had 5 other guys who've won in the 60%-70% range.
Mullen - 69.4%
Graves - 68.6%
Hall - 68.6%
McElwein - 64.7%
Zook - 62.2%

All but Graves are generally viewed as failures by UF fans for various reasons.

Then they had their two hits (Meyer and Spurrier).

UF has a much lower percentage of coaches they've hit on than UGA... or most other schools in the same general "prestige" level. UF basically had 12 years under Spurrier, 6 under Meyer and MAYBE you include the 10 for Graves of successful stints. That's just 18-28 years.

UGA? 22 years under Wally Butts. 25 years under Vince Dooley. 15 years under Mark Richt. 9 years and counting under Kirby Smart. THat's 71 years post WW2 of successful/HOF level football for UGA.

It's NOT the same for every school.



Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
42050 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Let's take out Bobby at FSU or Dooley at Georgia.


You can take out Kirby too and we'd still have Wally Butts and Mark Richt who won SEC titles. UF has none without their two legendary coaches.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
11184 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Outside of Spurrier and Meyer, Florida is an incredibly mediocre program.


The data is solid....for the entirety of their existence other than 15% of it Florida has been, at best, an also ran mediocre program. Why they insist on denigrating what their lord and savior the old ball sack accomplished at one of the more dysfunctional programs in CFB is beyond me but their refusal to accept that they have been mostly shite and Spurrier proved they did not have to be mostly shite is a major factor in their remaining shitty. You can't demand more when you won't admit you ain't been shite and insist that you have always been a front runner...how you going to demand to be what you are????
Posted by Broz1839
STL
Member since Aug 2019
514 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:46 am to
How many of those poor bastards lost to Mizzou and got shown the door ??
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
2486 posts
Posted on 9/4/24 at 11:46 am to
95% of Florida’s football success has been achieved during the Spurrier and Meyer eras.
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