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re: The criticism of Brian Kelly is interesting
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:13 pm to DawginSC
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:13 pm to DawginSC
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No, you have to attempt to sell him on how much more he'll make in the NFL by coming to your school despite making less in NIL, how much a degree from your school is worth, how he'll likely win a national title at your school, how cool your fans are, how loud your stadium is or whatever you think justifies him taking less money than he can get elsewhere to come to your school.
If you don't have enough to sell him or you have enough but are unable to sell him... you have to offer more money if you want him.
You have to sell something to have a guy take 500 grand at your school if another is offering a million. What reasonable person is going to take half the money unless you offer something else to offset that? That's not his job to take less, it's your job to CONVINCE him to take less.
Have you considered that all of this could have been done and Williams still picked the money now?
I don't blame him. Judging by his production against teams with a pulse, $1.5 million is probably the most he'll ever make.
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:21 pm to wadewilson
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Have you considered that all of this could have been done and Williams still picked the money now?
I don't blame him. Judging by his production against teams with a pulse, $1.5 million is probably the most he'll ever make.
It very well could have.
But demeaning players for taking more money (which is basically what Kelly did) is a quick way to poison the well for future players. The reality is for transfers, money IS going to be a big part of it. Blaming the player for taking more money by saying "yeah, he's not our kind of guy because he just wanted a bigger paycheck".
Listen, the players SHOULD take the bigger paycheck unless you can convince him of a good reason to take less. A player taking more to go elsewhere rather than taking less to go to your school isn't a failure in the character of the player. It's a failure on the coaches part for not offering more or not convincing him to come to your school despite offering less.
Blaming a player for taking more money is really stupid because it makes a lot of sense to take more money. It makes the coach doing so look bad.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:21 pm to wadewilson
Double post.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:38 pm to DawginSC
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It very well could have.
But demeaning players for taking more money (which is basically what Kelly did) is a quick way to poison the well for future players. The reality is for transfers, money IS going to be a big part of it. Blaming the player for taking more money by saying "yeah, he's not our kind of guy because he just wanted a bigger paycheck".
You haven't been paying attention, because Kelly has been saying that same thing consistently since he was hired here, and it hasn't hurt us in recruiting or portal.
The tackle depth is where it is because we've had 5 different defensive line coaches since the last game of the 2021 season.
We didn't get the defensive tackles we offered in this portal cycle because day 3 talents aren't worth 7 figures.
It's that fricking simple.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:42 pm to wadewilson
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Have you considered that all of this could have been done and Williams still picked the money now?
LSU fans assured me both were rotational guys at best at LSU.
Kelly screwed up. He felt the need to shift blame when he could have hyped up the new DL coach and the guys on the roster. There is no good way to spin it.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:54 pm to Smokeyone
And?
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:16 pm to DawginSC
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Listen, the players SHOULD take the bigger paycheck unless you can convince him of a good reason to take less. A player taking more to go elsewhere rather than taking less to go to your school isn't a failure in the character of the player. It's a failure on the coaches part for not offering more or not convincing him to come to your school despite offering less.
Blaming a player for taking more money is really stupid because it makes a lot of sense to take more money. It makes the coach doing so look bad.
Would you feel the same way if your coach was saying these things?
Because he basically has:
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In 2022, Georgia set a new record for most selections in a single NFL Draft with 15 picks.
“It’s a great sell to the kids that will listen to it,” Smart said Wednesday at Georgia's Pro Day. “There is a lot of them that want to ask about NIL. They don’t want to ask about what your NFL players have done. I think it’s much more important how you develop players than how much NIL you can give them.”
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I want a self-starter. I want a guy that’s committed to the program, who’s selfless. I want all of the same things: size, speed. I want all those same things.
“It’s more be more selective over a kid you pick and choose from that the NIL is not the number one narrative.”
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:27 pm to cas4t
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I’ve read the exact same
it is disingenuous to take Kelly’s words here and twist them
He clearly states LSU has NIL opportunities. What he is not willing to do is get into a bidding war for a portal player that is purely approaching his visit from a monetary standpoint.
It's about overall value, not just the money. Every program has things to offer, and money is part of it.
If some kid wants to go to App St and give up all the other value for a large paycheck, then it's probably a good thing if that kid goes to App St. It acts as a filter for the kind of guy you likely don't want.
However, when you are talking about recruiting against programs like Oklahoma, then the value outside the money is not that different. At that point, you just got outbid.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:28 pm to DawginSC
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If you don't want it to be just about money, you have to sell the player on something else. Failing to do so is more about the coach than the player.
One of the dumbest things I’ve read on this board
Plenty of portal players currently are strictly looking for a payday. Period, end of discussion. They may see this as their version of the NFL, even.
Do you even remotely follow recruiting?
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:01 pm to 3down10
Agree 100%
Posted on 5/10/24 at 3:04 am to cas4t
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He clearly states LSU has NIL opportunities. What he is not willing to do is get into a bidding war for a portal player that is purely approaching his visit from a monetary standpoint.
Fine and dandy. Now what's Kelly going to do about defensive lineman this season? I understand he didn't get that position filled in the first window and he's drawing NIL lines in the sand about the spring opportunities. It's being reported that you guys started 2 walk-on d-linemen during spring ball and that doesn't sound like much of a working plan in the SEC. Unless you want more of what you got last year.
Your new DC might be wondering why he left Mizzou at this point.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:29 am to bamameister
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It's being reported that you guys started 2 walk-on d-linemen during spring ball and that doesn't sound like much of a working plan in the SEC.
We're just making shite up now?
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:06 am to cas4t
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One of the dumbest things I’ve read on this board
Plenty of portal players currently are strictly looking for a payday. Period, end of discussion. They may see this as their version of the NFL, even.
Do you even remotely follow recruiting?
I don't think you're following.
It's completely logical for a player to go to the school that gives them the most money.
What recruiting is now, is convincing players to come to your school if you aren't offering as much money, or by getting more money for the players you're recruiting to your school.
Kelly failed on the first count and refused to do the second. So he missed. That's his failure, not the players. What they did was completely logical.
Him calling out those players for not being convinced is ridiculous. It's not their fault that you couldn't get them more money or convince them to take less to go to LSU, a school they have no connection to yet.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:37 am to SidewalkTiger
LSU’s coach can do what he feels best within the rules. That he can go after the players he feels best fit his philosophy.
The coach you have now is capable of 8 wins each year. I think that a university of LSU’s standing in the SEC could do better. If you are satisfied with that kind of record you will be upper middle class. But that is probably where you belong.
That is no criticism of Coach Brian Kelly. Just the facts.
The coach you have now is capable of 8 wins each year. I think that a university of LSU’s standing in the SEC could do better. If you are satisfied with that kind of record you will be upper middle class. But that is probably where you belong.
That is no criticism of Coach Brian Kelly. Just the facts.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:58 am to DawginSC
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It's completely logical for a player to go to the school that gives them the most money.
What recruiting is now, is convincing players to come to your school if you aren't offering as much money, or by getting more money for the players you're recruiting to your school.
Kelly failed on the first count and refused to do the second. So he missed. That's his failure, not the players. What they did was completely logical.
That's the rest of the story. If you look at 24/7 they rank LSU 15 out of the 16 SEC teams in the portal transfer. That's almost dead last when they knew they had a huge hole in their defense to fill. Doesn't pass the smell test.
They also haven't recruited a defensive lineman yet in this '25' cycle. But they have a ton of offensive guys. Makes you wonder if someone stole Kelly's playbook when he left Notre Dame.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:39 am to bamameister
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It's being reported that you guys started 2 walk-on d-linemen during spring ball and that doesn't sound like much of a working plan in the SEC.
Link?
I think you made that up.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:50 am to SidewalkTiger
Yep, Saban has said almost the exact same things many times, but it didn’t come after misses during a high profile search that gained national attention. Bad timing and poor choice of words, considering the above mentioned facts.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:56 am to SidewalkTiger
Saban has been criticized too over his opinions on pay for play players since he's retired. Any multimillionaire coach will be criticized for being against player compensation in any form. And, honestly, as a Capitalist, I'm on the side of the players.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:27 pm to TigerScorpion
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ep, Saban has said almost the exact same things many times, but it didn’t come after misses during a high profile search that gained national attention. Bad timing and poor choice of words, considering the above mentioned facts.
A very bad choice of words. He's bidding and he doesn't like it. As a fan BAMA is bidding and fans are holding their nose, just like the coaches. NIL is unregulated greed. Who's happy about that?
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:01 pm to Pandy Fackler
Hugh Freeze said the same thing. that he wasn't going to spend a million dollars on a QB. don't see anybody bashing him. I agree 100% with what coach Kelly said. this guy was looking for 1.2million to come play for 1 year. screw that.
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