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re: NET Rankings through last night’s games

Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:16 am to
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:16 am to
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Thats insane honestly. The NET puts way too much on SOS without factoring in strength of wins



That isn't why Alabama and Auburn are ranked high in the NET. They're ranked high in the NET because their efficiency numbers are super high, which the NET values a ton (and shouldn't, IMHO).

KenPom
#4 Auburn
#8 Alabama

That is the biggest reason for the difference between RPI (#15 Alabama, #16 Auburn) and NET (#5 Alabama, #7 Auburn).
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by WildcatMike
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:17 am to
Baw, you’re posting RPI? Lulz
This post was edited on 1/18/24 at 11:17 am
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:17 am to
The point of my post isn’t even to say Bama hasn’t beat good teams , just that NET loves to reward teams for losing a lot of Q1 games, which is exactly what is going on with UF right now.

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Using the RPI (head nod to you, diddlers), Alabama has wins over:


I’m all for RPI. Just add a home/road tweak. When you have a 30+ game season, the formula should be 100% résumé and 0% advanced stats
Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:18 am to
That’s old RPI. UGA is #24 now
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:18 am to
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Bae, you’re posting RPI? Lulz



We can pick whichever resume metric you want, they're better than NET because they don't include efficiency numbers, which are great for evaluating how good a team is but should not be used for determining what a team has achieved record wise (which is the only thing the NCAAT should be picking based off of).
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:18 am to
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Using the RPI
I expect better from you SoG.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:18 am to
Fellas, I used RPI as a nod to Diddly, who has been posting RPI for weeks now.

I'm partial to Wins Above Bubble and/or Strength of Record.
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:19 am to
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expect better from you SoG.


RPI. Lulz
Posted by Legionfield
Alabama
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:19 am to
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But if they were to lose to Tennessee and Auburn in their next two games


What if they win both? Don’t let them win both….oh buddy!!
Posted by Murph4HOF
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:20 am to
I don't understand his infatuation with RPI since it has been irrelevant almost as long as he's been alive.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:20 am to
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But if they were to lose to Tennessee and Auburn in their next two games, and if the above three previous opponents absorbed losses this week, they are a week away from seeing that resume possibly fall to 1-7 against Quad 1 and 3-2 against Quad 2.



Which would still not really be that big a deal. My expectation at this point for this team is to win 20ish games and be a #6-7 seed.
Posted by AUTiger789
Birmingham, AL
Member since Apr 2022
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:21 am to
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What if they win both? Don’t let them win both


They very well could. Your track record of winning big games is certainly impressive.
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:22 am to
Arkie has a lot of work to do and not much room for error
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:24 am to
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It appears Auburn also has no good wins



Soon
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:25 am to
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Soon


Is beating a team with no good wins and only good losses really a good win?

Posted by diddlydawg7
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:29 am to
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Fellas, I used RPI as a nod to Diddly, who has been posting RPI for weeks now.


Ive posted RPI (among others) to point out how bad NET is.

Georgia is:

24 in RPI
38 in Strength of Record
17 in KPI
54 in ELO
57 in WAB
79 in NET

We picked up a Quad I win on Tuesday and moved up 3 total spots. College Basketball isn’t about winning games anymore.

Feel free to give an explanation for why Bradley and UC Irvine deserve to be ahead of UGA at this point.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:31 am to
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Ive posted RPI (among others) to point out how bad NET is.



Yep, I know. And it's a good point. Nobody thinks RPI is perfect, but it doesn't heavily weigh efficiencies, not does have arbitrary point differences for boxed wins ("Q1", "Q2") which is the entire point.

A road win over #76 shouldn't be a whole exponential amount different than a road win over #75.

Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:33 am to
I've always loved ELO (more so for baseball because of cross pollination, but works well in basketball, too) but can't post them without getting 17 consecutive Electric Light Orchestra responses.
Posted by Legionfield
Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:33 am to
Don’t bring me down, SOG
Posted by WildcatMike
Lexington, KY
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 1/18/24 at 11:35 am to
UGA is 69th on KenPom. KenPom is good gauge.
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