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re: In all seriousness, what this is showing us is you'll have to build it yourself.....
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:10 pm to Lucado
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:10 pm to Lucado
Seems obvious Saban was a micro manager. He was a King. It doesn’t have to be that bad. When he left, it felt like the whole program collapsed. It happens when u coach worship
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:13 pm to jonnyanony
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Hiring within does nothing to preserve classes.
It helps.
Alabama did the worst thing possible, from a roster retention standpoint.
They hired a guy that only has two years of P5 experience from across the country. He likewise hired a bunch of guys with very little P5 experience.
The players know very few of these guys, they weren't recruited by them, they've likely never heard of a few of them.
DeBoer may be the best football coach ever but this exodus was always going to happen, anyone who didn't see it coming was burying their head in the sand.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:17 pm to SidewalkTiger
It was going to happen no matter what. Nick Saban was going to be their coach and then he wasn't.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:17 pm to jonnyanony
Plus, picking your coach to save a single class would be just about the dumbest imaginable strategy
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:18 pm to jonnyanony
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It was going to happen no matter what. Nick Saban was going to be their coach and then he wasn't.
Some players will transfer no matter what however it wouldn't have been as bad if someone like Marcus Freeman was on staff and took over, retaining most of the staff.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:21 pm to 1loyalbamafan
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Auburn and Freeze have gone thru it, LSU has gone thru it, A&M .....
Actually, no power program has gone through this. When those schools made changes, their portals coincided with the regular transfer portal. Their staffs were allowed to recruit other transfers to replace whoever the lost. Bama can't do that.
It's really a perfect storm. Coach retires with a top 5 roster, and every single DI school can go into a bidding war for the players because of NIL. Bama's coaches are prohibited from adding any transfers to replace them because that portal only goes one way.
Sucks for us, but those are the rules right now.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:28 pm to Weagle25
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If they hired Kiffin or Lanning, I don’t think any of this happens.
Kiffin, maybe. He's flashy, he's well known, and he knows most of the players on the team. Hell, he's in Tuscaloosa right now illegally contacting one of them.
Lanning only has 2 years as a HC and no connections to anyone on the roster. We'd be in the same boat we're in now, except we'd have the coach who went 0-3 against the one we got.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:32 pm to Evolved Simian
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Actually, no power program has gone through this. When those schools made changes, their portals coincided with the regular transfer portal. Their staffs were allowed to recruit other transfers to replace whoever the lost. Bama can't do that.
Sure, you can.
Portal is coming open in the spring.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:35 pm to Weagle25
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If they hired Kiffin or Lanning, I don’t think any of this happens.
God bless that unvested $NKE stock Lanning has.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:38 pm to TexasOnTop
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Football is football. As long as he can withstand the pressure, he’ll put up 9 wins his first season.
Very possible. But you have to go back to 2010 for the last time Alabama did that in a regular season (didn't even need a bowl win to get to ten in those other seasons).
But football is not football. Those Pac 12 games he struggled with this year would be losses in the SEC. I'm not sure what happened with you guys. But Michigan dominated them along the LOS in a resounding way. That game should not have been as close as it was for most of that game. Give their coaches credit for that, but they were very close to getting blown out early.
He is a winner. I think he will be.
But winning 10 games wasn't enough for Georgia or LSU. Why? Because of Saban. Will it be enough for the coach who replaces Saban, especially if someone else is better year in and year out in the conference?
Last weekend Bama fans were talking about how much improvement they expected to see over the past three seasons. They just won the conference twice. They probably have reduced those expectations a little based on what's happened this week. But still, that's an awful high bar to get to. You can be a very, very good coach and not reach it.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:42 pm to koreandawg
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He is a winner. I think he will be.
But winning 10 games wasn't enough for Georgia or LSU. Why? Because of Saban. Will it be enough for the coach who replaces Saban, especially if someone else is better year in and year out in the conference?
Last weekend Bama fans were talking about how much improvement they expected to see over the past three seasons. They just won the conference twice. They probably have reduced those expectations a little based on what's happened this week. But still, that's an awful high bar to get to. You can be a very, very good coach and not reach it.
LSU was in a much worse spot than Alabama is currently and a lot of Bama fans have trashed BK for "only" going 9-3.
Going by that, DeBoer is only afforded 1 loss, 2 tops.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:13 pm to koreandawg
Well, the thing is a guy like Deboer is a great coach. He has been able to win without having the best recruits. He’s not a Saban or Kirby who is only able to win when he has the top players in the game. So I think you’re gonna be surprised with what he’s able to do. Great coaches are able to do great things with whatever they are given.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
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Sure, you can.
Portal is coming open in the spring.
My fellow fans believe that we can replace them then, but you don't get very many top players in the 2nd portal. They usually move on in December.
I'm sure the staff will get the best they can.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:17 pm to Evolved Simian
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My fellow fans believe that we can replace them then, but you don't get very many top players in the 2nd portal. They usually move on in December.
I'm sure the staff will get the best they can.
You can get whoever you can successfully tamper with.
If we're being honest, you're not getting a ton of top end, contributing talent out of the portal anyway.
No one really is.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:20 pm to SidewalkTiger
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If we're being honest, you're not getting a ton of top end, contributing talent out of the portal anyway.
No one really is.
They're getting a shitload of 5* right now from a single team and every school in the country gets to bid on them.
Would be nice if they would allow the team whose portal is open to tamper freely with other rosters for 30 days.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:22 pm to SuperOcean
BK seems to be doing just fine.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 12:32 am to 1loyalbamafan
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Auburn
had a legendary coach retire?
When?
Good thing about barn is in 3 years when they're looking for a new coach, nobody is going to want any of their players.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:27 am to koreandawg
It's not that simple. The depth and the culture of competition go hand in hand. Bama lost Saban and the inbuilt Bama advantage with these players.
He hasn't shown to be a recruiter. This is not going to be easy to rebuild.
He hasn't shown to be a recruiter. This is not going to be easy to rebuild.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:28 am to SidewalkTiger
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LSU was in a much worse spot than Alabama is currently and a lot of Bama fans have trashed BK for "only" going 9-3.
Going by that, DeBoer is only afforded 1 loss, 2 tops.
A goo bit tougher conference now.
Posted on 1/18/24 at 1:55 am to Legionfield
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Did I miss something?
yes, you definitely missed something.
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