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re: NCAA Graduation Success Rates
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:15 pm to mckibaj
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:15 pm to mckibaj
quote:Do you really want a real, non-troll answer? Places like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Michigan and others have high admission standards among publics...and most football players would never be accepted if they didn't have an athletic scholly. Even Arch Manning admits he may not get into Texas if he wasn't an athlete, and it was only half joking. The diploma mills like Cincinnati are much easier to get athletes on a degree program that actually allows them to graduate. Vandy doesn't really lower their standards for athletes, they go there to actually play school.
What is up with UGA? I knew Bennet went for 8 year and didn’t get a degree. I guess more than half are on the same plan.
This post was edited on 1/5/24 at 9:17 pm
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Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:18 pm to 49 to nada
You can't tell me uga doesn't have some nonsense degree athletes can finish. Look at the other high academic schools, even the ones you mentioned on that same list.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:21 pm to 49 to nada
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The diploma mills like Cincinnati are much easier to get athletes on a degree program that actually allows them to graduate.
Sounds like Cincinnati is doing the best job of educating student athletes then.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 9:22 pm to 49 to nada
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Even Arch Manning admits he may not get into Texas if he wasn't an athlete, and it was only half joking.
The high school's tuition Arch went to borders on Tulane.
I'm sure he would have been fine without his name.
Posted on 1/5/24 at 11:15 pm to 49 to nada
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Do you really want a real, non-troll answer? Places like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Michigan and others have high admission standards among publics...and most football players would never be accepted if they didn't have an athletic scholly. Even Arch Manning admits he may not get into Texas if he wasn't an athlete, and it was only half joking. The diploma mills like Cincinnati are much easier to get athletes on a degree program that actually allows them to graduate. Vandy doesn't really lower their standards for athletes, they go there to actually play school.
Admission standards have zero to do with it. Academic support by the university and recruiting kids who are capable of doing the work impact it. Also, how is a transfer out calculated? That will have an impact as well.
I have seen the academic support at A&M first hand. If they cannot graduate with that kind of support, then they really didn't really try and/or your advisors let them choose an inappropriate major.
I cannot imagine any school with a major athletic program like the entire SEC doesn't have similar support. These programs support all athletes at the universities.
With the transfer portal, some of the calculation is going to have to change for these things or everyone is going to be near a damn 0 success rate. If you transfer out and you are in good standing, you should not count for or against this type of calculation.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 8:21 am to 49 to nada
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Do you really want a real, non-troll answer? Places like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Michigan and others have high admission standards among publics
A couple of issues there.
1. NCAA mandates academic achievement as a requirement of eligibility. Every D 1 school has a massive support system for its athletes to meet the requirement for academic progress. Athletes that put in minimum effort are going to make it through even if the system drags them to graduation.
2. Schools with “Hope” grants are going to see higher failure rates than non “Hope” states because “Hope” put a ton of kids in schools that don’t belong in school as a money maker for the school system. “Hope” changed schools mindset from being an exclusive agent designed to encourage success to more open system with standards built around enticing “Hope” money, not academic success.
3. People hold up the number of applicants not admitted and pretend that is a basis of superiority or exclusivity. In most cases it’s not. Not to pick on UGA but the last class they admitted was 6,200 people. That’s one of the largest freshman classes in Georgia. It’s a 1,000 plus more than were admitted to most folks back up school. UGA has attainable entry standards, a high number of students, “HOPE” and is a name folk’s recognition in a very small number of 4 year institutions in a state with almost 10,000,000 people so a ton of kids apply there. And if you make it through your 1st year at UGA your odds of graduating are in the 90% range.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:23 am to 49 to nada
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Do you really want a real, non-troll answer? Places like Georgia, Texas, Florida, Michigan and others have high admission standards among publics...and most football players would never be accepted if they didn't have an athletic scholly. Even Arch Manning admits he may not get into Texas if he wasn't an athlete, and it was only half joking. The diploma mills like Cincinnati are much easier to get athletes on a degree program that actually allows them to graduate. Vandy doesn't really lower their standards for athletes, they go there to actually play school.
While the general premise of your thread is correct. It is BS that you call out a place like Cincinnati for "degree programs". Literally half of the Texas team who has declared a major at UTx is in something called "Physical Culture and Sports". The curriculum in that program has classes such as "the History of Sports", "Women in Sports", "Racial aspects of Sports".
Even Stanford has a "jock" major.
Here at OU they stick them in "Multi-disciplinary studies" or "Human Relations".
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