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Maybe stop blaming individual players and start blaming coaches
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:57 am
Yes, players have to be held responsible, but the coaches are accountable. I know Seth isn't polar around here and many of you don't like Milroe or most of the o line... Instead of going after these folks individually, go after Rees. These players are going to go back to what they've been coached to do. Ultimately, he's accountable for the offensive performance. Personally, I think he's awful. He does not adjust well and isn't creative. He had a month to prepare and the unit regressed.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:59 am to bamabonners
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He does not adjust well and isn't creative
Serious question. How do you know his plays are being executed correctly?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:04 am to GAFF
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Serious question. How do you know his plays are being executed correctly?
Zero chance the 4th down was executed as called. You can tell by the blocking and routes it was an RPO.
Milroe just froze up due to the low snap and instead of making a read just ran a QB power/dive.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:08 am to GAFF
There are types of plays you can run in situations to help give your team the best opportunity. He doesn't seem to do that. How many slants did you see against the blitz? Screens? QB roll outs? Where were the tight ends?
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:09 am to bamabonners
You're really underestimating the effect constant errant snaps are going to have on an offense. Bryce, who is a far more cerebral player than Milroe, only barely made it work. For a guy who has to maintain total focus to be able to make basic reads, having to take his eyes off the defense literally every time the ball is snapped is devastating. You can't run timing routes with that crap going on. Even on the rare good snap he's still watching the damn thing into his hands because of the strong possibility he'll have to bend over or jump up to catch it.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:10 am to tide06
Hard to do when you have to bend down to get the snap and when you look up 65 is getting launched back at you like a Cannon ball
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:12 am to bamabonners
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There are types of posts you can run in situations to help give your team the best opportunity. He doesn't seem to do that. How many slants did you see against the blitz?
I don’t think he trusts Milroe to hit quick slants in traffic and he has been very inaccurate in the screen game which probably impacts that portion of the playbook.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:22 am to MontyFranklyn
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Hard to do when you have to bend down to get the snap and when you look up 65 is getting launched back at you like a Cannon ball
I agree that the snaps played a critical role yesterday, no question.
I think it also causes panic with regard to timing of hand offs, option plays and WR timing.
But reads weren’t being made consistently even when the ball arrived accurately. We went a major portion of that football game without even attempting to pass downfield, it looked like a middle school offense.
There was plenty of blame to go around yesterday.
Bad snaps
Bad QB play/reads
Bad OL performance
Out schemed defensively early and end game
LB play was abysmal for most of the game (32 and 30 looked completely lost)
No vertical/downfield element to our offense despite speed advantages on the perimeter for large portions of the game (probably didn’t trust the OL to protect?)
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:22 am to Robot Santa
Oh I'm not discounting the bad snaps... Seth gets quick when under pressure. It's like clockwork. Happened in every game. Up to the coaches to figure out a solution... Maybe fix technique, change personnel. I don't know what the reasoning is because I'm not in practice with the kid.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:25 am to bamabonners
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Maybe stop blaming individual players and start blaming coaches
10 years ago I’d agree with you, but these players are getting paid now so frick them and their candy-asses if they stink the joint up. Frick them if they can’t get jacked up to play for a championship. Frick them if they can’t snap the ball correctly. Frick them of your “mobile” QB keeps getting sacked for 15 yard losses. Frick then if they can’t shut down a crappy Michigan offense when it counts.
They want the glory and the money without the fans being “mean”? Frick that…
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:29 am to Ten Bears
That mobile QB was being asked to stand there behind an o line that didn't pass block and barely create running lanes. That's after the QB picks up the ball off his shoe laces. They were alot of issues to address before the QB could even start his process. Fix the line, then fix the QB. Stats with the OC.
If I have a highly paid employee that keeps screwing up and underperforming.. my client looks at me to fix it. At this point, I'm looking at Rees to fix it.
If I have a highly paid employee that keeps screwing up and underperforming.. my client looks at me to fix it. At this point, I'm looking at Rees to fix it.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:43 am to bamabonners
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Oh I'm not discounting the bad snaps... Seth gets quick when under pressure. It's like clockwork. Happened in every game. Up to the coaches to figure out a solution... Maybe fix technique, change personnel. I don't know what the reasoning is because I'm not in practice with the kid.
I agree that it's definitely on the coaches for failing to fix his snapping issues or replacing him with someone who can reliabily snap the ball. I just don't think it's particularly fair to blame Rees for a lack of quick hitter, timing based plays to counter their pressure when those plays are all DOA if the snap is bad. I mean that could even explain the lack of an attempt to run a screen. If the linemen are going to release to get out into space to block downfield and the snap goes between the QB's legs or over his shoulder it's practically guaranteed to be a turnover with the RB vacating the backfield and the OL letting the DL through. You just can't run any kind of timing based offense if the timing is always being immediately thrown off by a wildly off target snap.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:45 am to bamabonners
Fair point, I think. Sure, maybe we win last night's game if the snaps weren't so disruptively bad or if Jalen's vision and instincts were better, but that's losing the forest for the trees stuff. The big picture point is that this is a mega talented team that got handicapped by bad coaching, not just at the schematic level, but also at the positional and development levels. That game should never have come down to the point where we can wonder whether particular snap X or particular missed pass / running lane Y would've won us the game.
Lot of guys on staff that I wish we'd move on from.
Lot of guys on staff that I wish we'd move on from.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:48 am to bamabonners
You don't get to the point we were at in 2023 on offense without failures all the way up and down the chain.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:02 am to bamabonners
When we went more run heavy in the 3rd quarter, the offense was at least OK. The first half was pretty perplexing with all the drop backs. After the first couple of sacks, we just kept doing it. The game plan was subpar. Second half adjustments were decent, but it was like we were just smashing our own faces into the pavement for the fun of it.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:08 am to tide06
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Zero chance the 4th down was executed as called. You can tell by the blocking and routes it was an RPO.
Tell us the read man for the RPO on that play. In fact, explain the entire play with everyone's assignments to us since you know with zero chance that it wasn't executed exactly how it was called.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:12 am to bamabonners
They can coach it all they want to but a coach can't snap a simple ball to the qb. Say what you want but the center cost them a victory and there's no debating thag!
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:26 am to PBD4BAMA
We will probably not know for about another decade if it was the Coaches fault or the players fault - by that time we will have "Listen Only Communication Devices" for all the play calls lol. But seriously, not sure how low snaps cannot be the players fault.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:42 am to BrianFantana
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Tell us the read man for the RPO on that play. In fact, explain the entire play with everyone's assignments to us since you know with zero chance that it wasn't executed exactly how it was called.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 2:03 pm to FeralFeral
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Lot of guys on staff that I wish we'd move on from.
Wofford seems like a bust at OL coach. I'm take it or leave it with Cox or Gillispie. Neither seem to be cultivating stars at TE or RB respectively but it is hard to tell if that is due to QB and OL problems. Wiggins may have out-stayed his effectiveness as a WR coach but I think the core problem is evaluation misses at WR leaving the roster sparse on playmakers. To what degree these eval misses are on Wiggins is probably the real litmus test for me.
I don't think Saban will fire the entire position group staff on offense but some tactical decisions could be made. OL seems like the priority. If he can upgrade coaching at that position, he's got to do it. It's been 3 years of bad OL and Wofford heading the position for 2 of those years. Wiggins needs a critical look by Saban too. We need to get to the bottom of what has degraded the WR position. Lets remember this unit wasn't good with a Heisman winner last year either.
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