re: I get so tired of hearing about how great the Michigan and OSU rivalry is.

The Toledo War (1835–36), also known as the Michigan–Ohio War or the Ohio–Michigan War, was a boundary dispute between the U.S. state of Ohio and the adjoining territory of Michigan over what is now known as the Toledo Strip. Control of the mouth of the Maumee River and the inland shipping opportunities it represented, and the good farmland to the west were seen by both parties as valuable economic assets.

In response to allegations that Michigan's militia fired upon Ohioans, Lucas called a special session of Ohio's legislature on June 8 to pass several more controversial acts, including the establishment of Toledo as the county seat of Lucas County, the establishment of a Court of Common Pleas in the city, a law to prevent the forcible abduction of Ohio citizens from the area, and a budget of $300,000 ($8.5 million in 2021[31]) to implement the legislation.[30] Michigan's territorial legislature responded with a budget appropriation of $315,000 to fund its militia.[10]

In May and June, Michigan drafted a state constitution, with provisions for a bicameral legislature, a supreme court, and other components of a functional state government.[30][32] Congress was still not willing to allow Michigan's entry into the Union, and Jackson vowed to reject Michigan's statehood until the border issue and "war" were resolved.[33]

Lucas ordered his adjutant general, Samuel C. Andrews, to conduct a count of the militia, and was told that 10,000 volunteers were ready to fight. That news became exaggerated as it traveled north, and soon thereafter the Michigan territorial press dared the Ohio "million" to enter the Strip as they "welcomed them to hospitable graves".[34]

In June 1835, Lucas dispatched a delegation consisting of U.S. Attorney Noah Haynes Swayne, former Congressman William Allen, and David T. Disney to Washington D.C. to confer with Jackson. The delegation presented Ohio's case and urged Jackson to address the situation swiftly.[35][36]

Throughout mid-1835, both governments continued their practice of oneupmanship, and constant skirmishes and arrests occurred. Citizens of Monroe County joined in a posse to make arrests in Toledo. Partisans from Ohio, angered by the harassment, targeted the offenders with criminal prosecutions.[37] Lawsuits were rampant and served as a basis for retaliatory lawsuits from the opposite side.[37] Partisans of both sides organized spying parties to keep track of the sheriffs of Wood County, Ohio, and Monroe County, Michigan, who were entrusted with the security of the border.[37]

On July 15, Monroe County, Michigan, Deputy Sheriff Joseph Wood went into Toledo to arrest Major Benjamin Stickney, but when Stickney and his family resisted, the whole family was subdued and taken into custody.[37] During the scuffle, the major's son Two Stickney stabbed Wood with a penknife and fled into Ohio. Wood's injuries were not life-threatening.[29] When Lucas refused Mason's demand to extradite Two Stickney to Michigan for trial, Mason wrote to Jackson for help, suggesting that the matter be referred to the United States Supreme Court. At the time of the conflict it was not established that the Supreme Court could resolve state boundary disputes, and Jackson declined the request.[38] Looking for peace, Lucas began making his own efforts to end the conflict, again through federal intervention via Ohio's congressional delegation.[36]


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Michigan Constitution of 1835
In August 1835, at the strong urging of Ohio's members of Congress, Jackson removed Mason as Michigan's territorial governor and appointed John S. ("Little Jack") Horner in his stead. Before his replacement arrived, Mason ordered 1,000 Michigan militiamen to enter Toledo and prevent the symbolically important first session of the Ohio Court of Common Pleas. While the idea was popular with Michigan residents, the effort failed: the judges held a midnight court before quickly retreating south of the Maumee River, where Ohio forces were positioned.[39]

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A fair reading of the dispute shows that Ohio was really the pricks in the whole thing, and President Andrew Jackson sided with them as they were a state and had electoral votes and Michigan was still a territory. Then he forced a deal or he would block Michigan becoming a state, put Jack hornier in as Territorial Governor etc. Plus he was biggest pos to ever be president so you can be sure he got massive kickbacks etc on all this

Honestly 2006 ruined the high level National prominence of this rivalry for everyone outside of UM and OSU. 1 vs 2 and a 3 point game. Both teams went on to lose their postseason game. That was the first season the B1G was undeniably exposed as overrated and they have remained so ever since.

The Big10 is the most pathetic boring football I’ve ever seen in my life. 10 of the teams in the conference can’t even complete a forward pass half the time. That includes “juggernaut” Michigan!

And this rivalry sucks dick. Boring game. Bunch of phony hate. Played by two teams that try so damn hard to call themselves blue bloods. frick out of here. Ohio St at least has some modern success and can potentially claim some type of status. But Michigan? They haven’t won shite since Gerald ford played there. Not even Tom Brady could win shite for Michigan. Split voted on championships don’t count

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Alabama has won 40 something games against Auburn and lost 30 something games against Auburn and there has been a tie or two in the series.

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So a greater spread in far less games, brilliant response.

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Alabama and LSU has played in more meaningful games against each other the past 15 years or so than Michigan and OSU have in the last 20 or 25. In more recent years both Bama and UGA has played in the SECCG and CFP games and have more title game losses to each other than Michigan and OSU have appearances in a Natty game. OSU has a little success but mostly both OSU and Michigan get beat down in the playoffs.

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Not the metric and you've shifted your supporting cast of rivalries, we can all thank you for reminding us what miserable counts our directionless ex wives were.

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As far as Army vs Navy and MSU vs Ole Miss they are true rivals. One team may go on a run but most years the games are competitive and the better team can’t always just bank those games as a win as OSU did for years. Those games are usually super competitive with a strong dislike for one another if not just pure hate. The Egg Bowl is pure hate. Michigan and OSU just play at hating one another.

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Wtf CNN host psycho babble is this? Tap out already, you are an embarrassment.

Dude the only thing I am wrong about is I’m arguing with a fool in public right now. I know better but I still do it knowing damn good and well I will never get anywhere with it.

I’m not shifting rivalry games I’m trying to show you how few meaningful games Michigan has been involved with period the past 20 something years and OSU has done a little but Bama and Georgia have played each other in the Natty 2 or 3 times now. Every time they play it’s an instant classic. Meanwhile Ohio St needed a 15 year run against Michigan to get that series as close as it is and it’s still not close.

If you could get the media and sports talk show hosts to give a game like the Egg Bowl all the attention they have given the Michigan and OSU rivalry just the past 20 years then the Egg Bowl would be watched a lot more by casual fans across the country.

In the Southeast the Alabama vs Tennessee game was a huge rivalry every year. Alabama fell off for a few years mostly due to NCAA trouble. Bama lost like 9 years straight. Then Saban showed up and Bama ripped off about 15 in a row on Tennessee until they beat us last season. We paid them back this year but all everyone talks about is how great that rivalry used to be when both teams were good. It’s like people are referring to a dead relative that has been gone a long time. People talk about how far that game has fallen. Until a couple of years ago Michigan had not beat OSU in about 15 years. That game is always talked about how great it’s going to be when anyone with a brain knew Michigan had nothings for Ohio St. The national media still hyped it up when they knew it was going to be a garbage game. They do the same thing anytime Michigan or OSU play Penn St. It’s Oh look out Penn St has a defense or they can run the ball. They will find a billion ways to hype the game where Penn St has a shot at the upset. Then they line up and Penn St gets drilled. The Big 10 is all hat and no cattle. It’s a two horse league and the game between those two horses get hyped out the arse with very few surprises.

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Bama-TN (when we're decent)

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The late Lewis Grizzard said that when he was sports editor for a Chicago newspaper, he kept hearing about the great OSU/UM rivalry game. He decided to go see it in person.

His takeaway was, "it was like watching two mules fighting over a turnip."

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Besides once you have someone throwing insults or threats at you then it’s time to stop talking because you have won the argument.

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It's comical that you think you've won this argument over the importance of the Egg Bowl vs. OSU-UM to the rest of the country. You've offered nothing more to support your opinion than your own feelings, in the face of the cold hard facts of inferior TV ratings and the respective playoff impact on other teams around the country.

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On what planet is such a one sided rivalry considered great?

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Michigan started the rivalry 19-3-2. It's now 60-51-6. Over the last 100 years it's 48-45-4 in favor of Ohio State so when you consider that it's not a one sided rivalry at all. That is unless you live in the pre-leather helmet days.