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re: Is there a consensus #2 football program in the SEC, historically?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:56 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:56 pm to WG_Dawg
We've won 3 national title games under a system both UF and UT agreed to. They only have 1.
We lead them all-time head to head by double digits.
We've won more major bowls than they have.
Counting overall wins while completely ignoring wins against final ranked teams is weird.
And you can claim that Heismans are irrelevant but there's a reason that blue bloods like Bama, Ohio St, USC, and OU all display theirs alongside their natty trophies.
We lead them all-time head to head by double digits.
We've won more major bowls than they have.
Counting overall wins while completely ignoring wins against final ranked teams is weird.
And you can claim that Heismans are irrelevant but there's a reason that blue bloods like Bama, Ohio St, USC, and OU all display theirs alongside their natty trophies.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 3:57 pm
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:57 pm to Tornado Alley
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"Big Six" means nothing more than the last and possibly only six teams to win the conference since Kentucky shared the title with Alabama in 1977 (6-0 v. 7-0 conference record)
Kentucky was on NCAA probation in 1977 and not eligible for the title.
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I've never heard anyone other than Tiger Droppings posters reference the "Big Six." I honestly think the concept primarily exists on this message board.
Actually, your own Tuscaloosa newspaper coined the term back in the 1980s:
"SEC still a Big 6/Little 4 league" -sports editor Billy Mitchell's column on p. 1-B of the July 31, 1988 issue of the Tuscaloosa News.
"SEC is still Big 6, Little 4" article on p. 2-C of the July 26, 1989 issue of the Tuscaloosa News.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:57 pm to AUTiger789
Further evidence of the Big 6 rising to the top beginning in 1964 following the exit of GA Tech
Weeks ranked in AP Poll (1964-1969)
Alabama- 54
Tennessee- 45
Georgia- 38
Florida- 36
LSU- 36
Auburn- 20
————
Ole Miss- 16
Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1970-1979):
Alabama- 135
LSU- 83
Tennessee- 73
Auburn- 68
Georgia- 52
Florida- 47
——-
Ole Miss- 32
Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1980-1989):
Alabama- 129
Georgia- 123
Auburn- 122
LSU- 92
Florida- 75
Tennessee- 47
—————-
Miss St- 22
As a whole, since 1964, the gap between The Big 6 and the Little 4 is striking.
Weeks ranked in AP poll (1964-2022)
Alabama- 728
Florida- 606
Georgia- 600
LSU- 560
Auburn- 525
Tennessee- 471
——
Ole Miss- 171
Miss St- 161
Kentucky- 60
Vanderbilt- 7
As far out front as Alabama is at #1, Tennessee at #6 is closer to Alabama than they are to #7 Ole Miss. the gap between the Big 6 and the little 4 is just that big.
Weeks ranked in AP Poll (1964-1969)
Alabama- 54
Tennessee- 45
Georgia- 38
Florida- 36
LSU- 36
Auburn- 20
————
Ole Miss- 16
Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1970-1979):
Alabama- 135
LSU- 83
Tennessee- 73
Auburn- 68
Georgia- 52
Florida- 47
——-
Ole Miss- 32
Weeks ranked in the AP Poll (1980-1989):
Alabama- 129
Georgia- 123
Auburn- 122
LSU- 92
Florida- 75
Tennessee- 47
—————-
Miss St- 22
As a whole, since 1964, the gap between The Big 6 and the Little 4 is striking.
Weeks ranked in AP poll (1964-2022)
Alabama- 728
Florida- 606
Georgia- 600
LSU- 560
Auburn- 525
Tennessee- 471
——
Ole Miss- 171
Miss St- 161
Kentucky- 60
Vanderbilt- 7
As far out front as Alabama is at #1, Tennessee at #6 is closer to Alabama than they are to #7 Ole Miss. the gap between the Big 6 and the little 4 is just that big.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:59 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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And you can claim that Heismans are irrelevant
I did no such thing. I said that when you are comparing just 2 programs agaisnt one another, it's pretty irrelevant compared ot actual footabll things like wins and championships. If both progrmas are practically dead even it can be a nudge over the top for someone but if you come out of the gates in a comparison with "they don't even have any heisman winners!" it looks like trying to distract from other shortcomings.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:00 pm to WG_Dawg
We've won 3 national title games under a system both UF and UT agreed to. They only have 1.
We lead them all-time head to head by double digits.
We've won more major bowls than they have.
Actual football things.
We lead them all-time head to head by double digits.
We've won more major bowls than they have.
Actual football things.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:08 pm to TheDude321
quote:
"Big Six" means nothing more than the last and possibly only six teams to win the conference since Kentucky shared the title with Alabama in 1977 (6-0 v. 7-0 conference record)
Kentucky was on NCAA probation in 1977 and not eligible for the title.
quote:
I've never heard anyone other than Tiger Droppings posters reference the "Big Six." I honestly think the concept primarily exists on this message board.
Actually, your own Tuscaloosa newspaper coined the term back in the 1980s:
"SEC still a Big 6/Little 4 league" -sports editor Billy Mitchell's column on p. 1-B of the July 31, 1988 issue of the Tuscaloosa News.
"SEC is still Big 6, Little 4" article on p. 2-C of the July 26, 1989 issue of the Tuscaloosa News.
Ahh, I understand why Kentucky wasn't awarded the co-championship in 1977 then.
Secondly, the Tuscaloosa News is not my newspaper, that article came out before I was born, and I just learned of it about thirty minutes ago. Now I can say I've never seen anyone refer to the "Big Six" other than on message boards and that one article you posted, I guess.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:10 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
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And you can claim that Heismans are irrelevan
Heisman trophies are not irrelevant.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:30 pm to Tornado Alley
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that one article you posted
I actually posted TWO articles from TWO different years.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:16 pm to TheDude321
Well they were still both from before I was born 
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:45 pm to RollTide1987
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Nebraska hadn't been in a major bowl game in a decade when they joined the Big Ten. Oklahoma was in the playoffs as recently as 2019 and in a NY6 Bowl as recently as 2020.
The Big 12 got easier after NU, CU, Mizzou and Texas AM left
But point taken
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:00 pm to MizzouTrue
Tennessee. No question.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:00 pm to MizzouTrue
If you ain't first your last Ricky
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:08 pm to lsufball19
This is true but polls are also silly. Either the AP is the standard or it isn’t. It was the most relevant perhaps from say the late 50’s until 98 but it wasn’t even a thing until the 1930’s and it’s never been the thing because it has no more credence than the UPI/coaches poll. It’s awarded by sportswriters, before and then after bowls and it’s a totally bogus measure to base your argument upon.
The better method is to evaluate the consensus NC based on the most electors and total resume. It’s also quite obvious that all polls had a bias towards the Midwest and northeast at least until the 1970’s.
The BEST method is to evaluate SEC Championships because everybody played for those. It’s not perfect but it’s the best.
The better method is to evaluate the consensus NC based on the most electors and total resume. It’s also quite obvious that all polls had a bias towards the Midwest and northeast at least until the 1970’s.
The BEST method is to evaluate SEC Championships because everybody played for those. It’s not perfect but it’s the best.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:11 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Not necessarily since we didn't even have uniform scheduling until the 80s. So 1 loss Bama gets an SEC title despite losing to 1 loss Auburn because they played an extra conference game against Vandy.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:17 pm to ChiGator
I don’t have a problem with UF claiming 84…they’d have beat BYU’s arse.
UGA was the best team in 1942…and frankly was THE ONLY undefeated untied team in 1946 after all had come home and it was basically the same team as 42 minus Sinkwich.
UGA was the best team in 1942…and frankly was THE ONLY undefeated untied team in 1946 after all had come home and it was basically the same team as 42 minus Sinkwich.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:26 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
UF doesn't claim 1984, it's my av because an LSU fan and an OU fan in another thread said we should claim it since a poll listed in the records book at the time awarded us a trophy and it really bothers a couple of posters on here for some reason.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:33 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Damnit metro I’m trying to help your argument. It’s true we did t have universal scheduling but you could choose to play 6,7, 8 games depending on your guts. And it wasn’t all or nothing…you got credit if you shared the championship even if you didn’t get the Sugar Bowl tiebreaker invite.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:37 pm to Pulpwood Patterson
Auburn didn't even get credit for a shared title. Bama was 6-1 thanks to that extra cupcake and Auburn was only 5-1.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:40 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
My point is that it’s all subjective BS anyway…was UF the best team in 84…probably. Was UGA the best team in 1942, heck yes.
It’s the same argument I use when people shiz talk Spurrier. He won 6 SECC…what does it matter that some subjective poll only awarded him 1 NC. Especially since we’re talking about who’s the best among us SEC baws. UF has a commanding lead head to head with TN, does that mean they’re better historically, I don’t know buts it’s def a meaningful data point.
And I may be alone but I’m more proud of 14 SEC championships than I am of 4 consensus NC.
It’s the same argument I use when people shiz talk Spurrier. He won 6 SECC…what does it matter that some subjective poll only awarded him 1 NC. Especially since we’re talking about who’s the best among us SEC baws. UF has a commanding lead head to head with TN, does that mean they’re better historically, I don’t know buts it’s def a meaningful data point.
And I may be alone but I’m more proud of 14 SEC championships than I am of 4 consensus NC.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 7:42 pm to MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Yeah….but Auburn could’ve scheduled 8 games and won the SECC outright. At least the had input.
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