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Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:31 am to Diesel88
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:31 am to Diesel88
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Today, the advantage at QB goes to LSU and it's not particularly close. Hard to take anything else you're saying seriously if you can't admit that.
LSU has the most proven returning QB in the SEC.
But the reality is that doesn't mean he's a good prediction to be the most productive QB in the SEC this upcoming year.
I think both Joe Milton and Carson Beck are decent predictions to be better than Daniels. Neither has the playing time to be considered proven, but Milton had a 204 passer rating last season while Beck had 186. Daniels had 144.
The QB's that Milton and Beck are replacing had 175 and 160 passer ratings last year.
I also wouldn't be shocked if whoever Bama rolls out there ends up being pretty darn good too.
Because Daniels is proven to be good rather than proven to be great (like Bryce Young was coming into last season), I'd say LSU's advantage at the position exists, but is not all that great.
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Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:31 am to wadewilson
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Look, you've been a little bitch in this thread since page 1.
If you can't understand that going into week 1, LSU has a clear advantage over every other SEC team at the QB position, with the guys they return, then you're too fricking stupid for me to waste any more time on.
So LSU is going to pass for more yards, yards per attempt, and more TDs in week 1?
You are already moving the goalposts.
Does LSU have a clear advantage at QB over UGA or not?
Or does LSU have more experience returning at QB than UGA? Because that sounds like what you desperately want to say without actually changing the words from "LSU has a clear advantage at QB over UGA".
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:42 am to DawginSC
To evaluate UGA at the QB position, you have to take one of two views of what UGA was last year.
View 1 - UGA's QB was good but not great last season. UGA's scheme and surrounding talent was such that a good but not great QB can come in and put up similar numbers... and if the QB is great they will be even better.
This is how most people are evaluating UGA coming into this year. They think that Beck might be better than Bennett but at worst UGA will have a QB (Beck or someone else) at least at the same level as Bennett. And Bennett got to NY for the Heisman presentation by being good but not great.
View 2 - Despite people naysaying Bennett, he was actually an exceptional QB. One of UGA's QB's will have to be exceptional to equal his output.
Few actually go with this view. But it's what those who want to say UGA will get worse at QB have to hang on in order to make that argument.
While no team can count on the next QB being great, when you recruit well enough you know your next QB will at least be solid. Because if the first one isn't, you have 2-3 other highly rated guys to put out there and you should find someone solid out of the bunch. You might have a bad one for a few early games until you find the guy, but it's very unlikely a good enough guy isn't on the roster somewhere.
View 1 - UGA's QB was good but not great last season. UGA's scheme and surrounding talent was such that a good but not great QB can come in and put up similar numbers... and if the QB is great they will be even better.
This is how most people are evaluating UGA coming into this year. They think that Beck might be better than Bennett but at worst UGA will have a QB (Beck or someone else) at least at the same level as Bennett. And Bennett got to NY for the Heisman presentation by being good but not great.
View 2 - Despite people naysaying Bennett, he was actually an exceptional QB. One of UGA's QB's will have to be exceptional to equal his output.
Few actually go with this view. But it's what those who want to say UGA will get worse at QB have to hang on in order to make that argument.
While no team can count on the next QB being great, when you recruit well enough you know your next QB will at least be solid. Because if the first one isn't, you have 2-3 other highly rated guys to put out there and you should find someone solid out of the bunch. You might have a bad one for a few early games until you find the guy, but it's very unlikely a good enough guy isn't on the roster somewhere.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:44 am to DawginSC
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I think both Joe Milton and Carson Beck are decent predictions to be better than Daniels.
Beck doesn't belong in this conversation right now, simply because he hasn't proved anything. Milton at least has played in 24 games in his career between Michigan and Tennessee, although he's also a guy that I think needs to prove it before he's mentioned in the same sentence with Daniels.
When we are talking about proven SEC quarterbacks the list is Jefferson, Rogers, and Daniels.
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Neither has the playing time to be considered proven, but Milton had a 204 passer rating last season while Beck had 186.
Beck had 35 pass attempts last season. Gtfo.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:46 am to DawginSC
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To evaluate UGA at the QB position, you have to take one of two views of what UGA was last year.
View 1 - UGA's QB was good but not great last season. UGA's scheme and surrounding talent was such that a good but not great QB can come in and put up similar numbers... and if the QB is great they will be even better.
This is how most people are evaluating UGA coming into this year. They think that Beck might be better than Bennett but at worst UGA will have a QB (Beck or someone else) at least at the same level as Bennett. And Bennett got to NY for the Heisman presentation by being good but not great.
View 2 - Despite people naysaying Bennett, he was actually an exceptional QB. One of UGA's QB's will have to be exceptional to equal his output.
Few actually go with this view. But it's what those who want to say UGA will get worse at QB have to hang on in order to make that argument.
While no team can count on the next QB being great, when you recruit well enough you know your next QB will at least be solid. Because if the first one isn't, you have 2-3 other highly rated guys to put out there and you should find someone solid out of the bunch. You might have a bad one for a few early games until you find the guy, but it's very unlikely a good enough guy isn't on the roster somewhere.
Bennett was a Heisman finalist.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:47 am to meansonny
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Or does LSU have more experience returning at QB than UGA?
And you don't think thats a clear advantage?
You really are stupid.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:52 am to meansonny
frick off simpleton
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:55 am to wadewilson
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And you don't think thats a clear advantage?
Clear advantage at experience.
Beck is a 4th year QB at UGA. He has game reps in 2021 and 2022.
He is a more talented thrower than Stetson Bennett.
We also have a significant talent upgrade at WR for 2023.
The questions on Beck will circle around 3rd down conversions, red zone conversions, holding onto the football, and ultimately being clutch (i.e. 4th quarter comebacks for Stetson were things of beauty).
I wouldn't be shocked if Beck gets drafted higher than Daniels.
But as an LSU fan, you know nothing about Beck. And only presume to know about perceived advantages.
And when pressed to give me any information predicting the performance of Carson Beck (which is required if you say that LSU has a clear advantage at QB), you cower from the idea.
If you don't know something (UGA), I would recommend avoid weighing in on QB comparisons for the 2 schools.
It obviously isn't clear because all you have is playing time. And your QB wasn't playing at the level of UGAs QB last season with that playing time.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:57 am to koreandawg
The way he played in the second half of last season, it's crazy to me that Rattler is not on this list.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 10:58 am to Diesel88
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Beck had 35 pass attempts last season. Gtfo.
He also had reps with the first team offense last season.
Players, coaches, and media have seen him.
But you are going to pretend that a 4th year QB walking into an offense with an upgraded receiver room can't be better than a 145 QB efficiency rating? Or 133 QB efficiency rating in conference play?
It isn't clear who is better in week 1.
It is only clear that Daniels has more game reps.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:01 am to pbro62
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frick off simpleton
You are welcome to predict LSUs 2023 passing stats.
And lay those alongside your prediction for UGAs 2023 passing stats.
If one is clearly better, this should clearly be an easy assignment.
I'm just a simpleton who will sit here and wait for some LSU fan who thinks they have a clear advantage at QB to balls up and put some numbers on here.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:10 am to meansonny
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meansonny
Would you remove yourself from this thread? You're just repeating the same 2 points over and over.
I'm sure the other UGA posters here share my sentiments.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:14 am to Diesel88
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I'm sure the other UGA posters here share my sentiments.
Anyone is welcome to perform the exercise. UGA fans as well. I just haven't seen any UGA fans state that they have a clear advantage or clear disadvantage at QB.
What I'm gathering is that LSU fans are not very confident that they have a clear advantage at QB.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:18 am to meansonny
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4th year QB
5th year starter.
With a veteran offensive line, one of the best WR/TE groups in the country, and a group of veteran P5 running backs.
Yes, the LSU QB room is clearly better than UGA's, and if Daniels doesn't finish the season with better stats than Beck it'll be because he almost never plays in the 4th quarter.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:20 am to wadewilson
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Yes, the LSU QB room is clearly better than UGA's, and if Daniels doesn't finish the season with better stats than Beck it'll be because he almost never plays in the 4th quarter.
Great.
What stats do you predict for Daniels?
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:24 am to meansonny
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I wouldn't be shocked if Beck gets drafted higher than Daniels.
Everybody else in the country would.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:25 am to meansonny
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What stats do you predict for Daniels?
SEC Champion.
Now shut the frick up.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:43 am to wadewilson
Lol
You have no faith in your own words or your own QB.
LSU does not have any clear advantage at QB over UGA as evidenced by the lack of LSU fans nutting up and putting some real numbers to their beliefs.
It's just a bunch of big talk from people who might know LSUs QB room but shouldn't be making comparisons because they have no clue about most of the rest of the conference.
You have no faith in your own words or your own QB.
LSU does not have any clear advantage at QB over UGA as evidenced by the lack of LSU fans nutting up and putting some real numbers to their beliefs.
It's just a bunch of big talk from people who might know LSUs QB room but shouldn't be making comparisons because they have no clue about most of the rest of the conference.
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:43 am to meansonny
Hell.... you won't even make a prediction for Daniels.
Lol
Lol
Posted on 7/10/23 at 11:45 am to meansonny
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LSU does not have any clear advantage at QB over UGA as evidenced by the lack of LSU fans nutting up and putting some real numbers to their beliefs.
You think making up future numbers demonstrates someone "nutting up." What an odd statement.
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