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Vince Dooley vs Erk Russell
Posted on 10/12/22 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/12/22 at 10:25 am
First off, apologies for an offseason thread.
Heard the great news that Coach Dooley is out of the hospital which got me thinking. If he had left for Barn after the 1980 season, I assume Erk would have been promoted to head coach. How do y'all think things turn out for us if that had happened?
Heard the great news that Coach Dooley is out of the hospital which got me thinking. If he had left for Barn after the 1980 season, I assume Erk would have been promoted to head coach. How do y'all think things turn out for us if that had happened?
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 11:03 am to Rex Feral
Not sure, but Seth Emerson had an awesome story about the head coaching search after dooley retired. Didn't know about a lot of those details.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 11:30 am to Rex Feral
Erk went on to create a program out of thin air that won 6 1-AA national championships. I think we would have been ok.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 11:31 am
Posted on 10/12/22 at 11:41 am to FirstCityDawg
Yeah, but one is not like the other
Posted on 10/12/22 at 11:56 am to FirstCityDawg
Erk was not the inage the University wanted to portray, he would have been great. In 99sera, i wish we had gone after someone like Holtz who had a rocky relationship with Notre Dame even when he was winning.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 1:28 pm to lewis and herschel
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Erk was not the inage the University wanted to portray, he would have been great. In 99sera,
They offered him the damn job. I'm pretty sure they would have been okay with his image.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:11 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
So why didnt he take it? Trust me, i would have been all for it.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:21 pm to Rex Feral
Erk would have won multiple championships. He was awesome.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:35 pm to GhostOfFreedom
I'm sure he would have done well and better than Dooley from 84-88. Dooley was still recruiting NFL level running backs but we were consistently behind AU, TN, FL, and LSU from 84-88 and then up to 2001 after Dooley stepped down to be AD. I don't know how much of Dooley's slide was from the Jan Kemp fallout but that may have been a factor. Still if Dooley had left it's quite likely that UGA would have tried to hire Pat Dye.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 2:37 pm to FirstCityDawg
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Erk went on to create a program out of thin air that won 6 1-AA national championships. I think we would have been ok.
I agree.
But had Dooley left for Auburn, Pat Dye was already contacted and ready to come from Wyoming.
Dooley stayed and Auburn hired Dye.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:27 pm to lewis and herschel
Because they wanted him to sign a ten year deal and he knew he couldn’t coach that long.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:35 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
That era maybe 10 years 500k per. Bargain looking.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 3:44 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Because they wanted him to sign a ten year deal and he knew he couldn’t coach that long.
I'm not there.
But this smells like bullshite.
You sign a 10 year deal, coach for 7 and quit.
No coach gets offered a contract better than he wants and the deal falls through.
Vince wanted Goff.
Vince was in the driver's seat.
He got who he wanted.
He screwed the pooch. It happens.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:18 pm to meansonny
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I'm not there.
But this smells like bullshite.
You sign a 10 year deal, coach for 7 and quit.
No coach gets offered a contract better than he wants and the deal falls through.
Vince wanted Goff.
Vince was in the driver's seat.
He got who he wanted.
He screwed the pooch. It happens.
I mean, believe what you want. Erk was a different breed of man and an extremely honorable one at that. He knew couldn't do it so he turned it down.
And Vince may have wanted Goff, but they offered the job to Erk, then Dick Sheridan at NCST who had accepted the job but then backed out because he wanted to tell his team first but it leaked out before he could.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:20 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I know Erk was honorable. My cousin played for him at GSU.
But no one turns down the job they want because it is too good. No employer loses the coach they want because they want to lock up the right coach for too long.
Someone sold you a bag of BS, my man.
Sorry.
But no one turns down the job they want because it is too good. No employer loses the coach they want because they want to lock up the right coach for too long.
Someone sold you a bag of BS, my man.
Sorry.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:29 pm to meansonny
Again, believe what you want. He had one more season at GSU and then retired. He wasn't going to make it 7 more years. No need to be sorry. I'll trust this source over anyone about this.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:37 pm to meansonny
All that is addressed in the Emerson piece.
Knapp the president at the time said Dooley recommended Erk, wanted Erk, etc. Some felt Erk didn't take it because he wasn't going to keep coaching, but others say Erk wasn't wined and dined with the offer as much as he wanted.
But Knapp was pretty adamant that he was the first choice.
Knapp the president at the time said Dooley recommended Erk, wanted Erk, etc. Some felt Erk didn't take it because he wasn't going to keep coaching, but others say Erk wasn't wined and dined with the offer as much as he wanted.
But Knapp was pretty adamant that he was the first choice.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:11 pm to K9
Erk coached a championship team at every level he coached.
Grady High School Atlanta state championship.
UGA national championship.
GA Southern multiple national championships.
Grady High School Atlanta state championship.
UGA national championship.
GA Southern multiple national championships.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:45 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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but they offered the job to Erk, then Dick Sheridan at NCST who had accepted the job but then backed out because he wanted to tell his team first but it leaked out before he could.
Pretty much the story I've read/heard from multiple sources
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And Vince may have wanted Goff
I really don't think this is correct.Vince was on leave of absence to pursue his Senate run and his successor was left up to a search committee and Larry Walker (BOR member and big time influential booster) pushed hard for Goff.
Both Vince and Barbara have repeatedly claimed Vince had nothing to do with the selection and Dick Bestwick (associate AD at the time) confirmed it.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:04 pm to RD Dawg
Im pretty sure Coach Dooley made something like $250k per year. He was wanting to make a run at Governor, but I understand they did some due diligence and he decided he didn’t want the skeletons to come out. I heard rumors of said skeletons, but not worth sharing.
I was graduated, but was still close to the program then. We all assumed it was gonna be Coach Haffner.
I was graduated, but was still close to the program then. We all assumed it was gonna be Coach Haffner.
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