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Team needs to be a Penn State BoB offense - playaction, rollouts, more undercenter
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:32 am
Would be wonderful if we started moving in that direction the next 2 weeks. Whole lot more 2 backs with Gibbs being moved around, play action roll outs with an easy option to get yards.
Yesterday was an absolute disaster because we had so many 0 yard plays. We were in 3rd and 6 almost every set of downs.
Yesterday was an absolute disaster because we had so many 0 yard plays. We were in 3rd and 6 almost every set of downs.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 8:34 am
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Posted on 9/11/22 at 8:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
We gotta let Bryce cook. Problem is BOB concepts and route tree are very pedestrian and do nothing to help our guys get open.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
Agree. We also need the play call earlier in the play clock so he can get people in place and read the d, man.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 9:58 am to SummerOfGeorge
That's not the offense that Bryce can run best. He probably would have issues with drop backs and making his reads. He does a pretty good job in the shotgun making his reads and adjustments. We need some easy plays to scheme open our playmakers. I loved how Sark would always use pre snap motion to identify the defense.
Kiffin and Sark wouldn't be having these same problems.
Kiffin and Sark wouldn't be having these same problems.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:01 am to SECSolomonGrundy
I think getting him on the move as part of a scheme adjustment more would be very beneficial.
Might need to remain in the shotgun, but forcing him into moving the pocket would be helpful, I think. He's clearly at his best moving around.
Might need to remain in the shotgun, but forcing him into moving the pocket would be helpful, I think. He's clearly at his best moving around.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
I don't know. That kinda sounds like cutting the field in half. Bryce has good vision. He sees the whole field pretty good (I think), unlike a young Jalen who had trouble making multiple reads.
We need play calls where somebody is schemed open for the desired yardage, and then if the defense has the perfect play call, there is a secondary and third option. Bryce can go through the reads and hit the open guy.
But to me it looks like BOOB is just lazy with the play calling. All these little weak arse crossing routes where nobody is ever really stressing the defense. Too much "take what the defense gives you" mentality and not enough attacking. Its all, let Bryce make a play instead of lets call a play for Bryce. I'd love to hear what Kiffin thinks about this offense.
We need play calls where somebody is schemed open for the desired yardage, and then if the defense has the perfect play call, there is a secondary and third option. Bryce can go through the reads and hit the open guy.
But to me it looks like BOOB is just lazy with the play calling. All these little weak arse crossing routes where nobody is ever really stressing the defense. Too much "take what the defense gives you" mentality and not enough attacking. Its all, let Bryce make a play instead of lets call a play for Bryce. I'd love to hear what Kiffin thinks about this offense.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:27 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I don't know. That kinda sounds like cutting the field in half. Bryce has good vision. He sees the whole field pretty (I think), unlike a young Jalen who had trouble making multiple reads.
I think Bryce has issues seeing the field at times in a static pocket - like literally, because of his height. I don't think abandoning the static pocket is necessary, but there has to be some variation in how we run stuff. We're painfully simple in things the defense has to look for right now. Same sets, very minimal motion, very minimal alignments. It's extremely 2006 NFLish.
The only time we ran multiple stuff with different personal groupings was the scripted opening drive and it was extremely successful. Once the script ended BoB just settled into bland nothingness.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:38 am to SummerOfGeorge
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think Bryce has issues seeing the field at times in a static pocket - like literally, because of his height
I agree. I think he anticipates where the play is supposed to be at a very high level, similar to Tua. Both guys are shorter than most QBs and they are just gonna be limited in some respects by their height.
Kyler Murray is even shorter than Bryce and the cardinals do a lot of roll outs with him. But he's more of a threat to get to the edge and break containment and make big plays with his legs. I don't think Bryce really has that threat. But I do like what he's done with running the ball against man coverage this year. He does a good job of recognizing that.
This post was edited on 9/11/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 9/11/22 at 10:59 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I think Bryce has issues seeing the field at times in a static pocket - like literally, because of his height.
I agree. When the game gets tight, he will willingly leave the pocket even if it’s a clean one. This happened on the TD throw. He’s more comfortable outside the pocket.
BoB may be a good play caller, but similar to Daboll, he’s striking me as a “The players will fit my system” guy which rarely works at the college level.
The best college play callers adjust their system to the players - See 2019 vs 2020 Tua vs Mac offenses or 15 vs 16 Coker vs Jalen offenses.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 11:07 am to TomRollTideRitter
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BoB may be a good play caller, but similar to Daboll, he’s striking me as a “The players will fit my system” guy which rarely works at the college level.
Yep. Everything we do on offense relies on players winning individual matchups. Bryce is given very few easy throws outside of swing passes and WR screens. We never bootleg by design, never roll the pocket by design, never utilize misdirection, and just never really do much of anything that gives Bryce an easy decision to make with the clear option of keeping the ball and running.
It's just sporadic attempts to run the ball and straight drops from shotgun with slow developing routes. That's our gameplan, and when someone gives us trouble rushing 4 we do frick all to try to neutralize it.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 11:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
The talent/personnel on this roster doesn't support that kind of play
It is not only the fact BOB is not great and creating a plan, adjusting or being creative in getting his playmaker the ball.... how he uses out offense hamstrings us.
When you have a vibrant OC like we have had in the last we have seen our talent soar.
It is not only the fact BOB is not great and creating a plan, adjusting or being creative in getting his playmaker the ball.... how he uses out offense hamstrings us.
When you have a vibrant OC like we have had in the last we have seen our talent soar.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 11:12 am to SummerOfGeorge
Getting plays in so late and overthinking everything is killing us too. I was listening to the College Football and they said there were only 19 plays the ball was snapped with greater than 6 seconds on the play clock.
Posted on 9/11/22 at 12:54 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
With Kiffin or Sark we would hang half a hundred on everybody
Posted on 9/11/22 at 11:54 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I say run our freaking two minute O all game and let Bryce call his own plays.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:14 am to LittleJerrySeinfield
Please do NOT mention that WR screen again. BOB ran that damn thing multiple times Saturday and almost every time Texas was jumping on it like a duck on a June bug. If he would have faked that thing and threw deep off of it instead just once, our guy would still be running. He’s just so damn stubborn and dense, he does not adjust.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 12:15 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:59 am to TomRollTideRitter
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BoB may be a good play caller, but similar to Daboll, he’s striking me as a “The players will fit my system” guy which rarely works at the college level
In fairness, the one year that Daboll was OC, we won a National title. The “players will fit my system” point of view was him wanting to play a QB that could distribute the ball better passing. We knew Jalen was having issues all year and saw what was needed to win the title when they brought Tua in. Demanding a QB to be able to pass the ball to people other than Ridley wasn’t a big ask or asking a player to fit into a system that wasn’t working.
At this point, I’d take just about anyone over O’Brien. I’ve never seen anyone have less options dialed up for a QB. I can’t count how many plays where there isn’t an outlet or a short pattern available and it’s just 3 or 4 guys running 15+ yard patterns. Uncreative ones at that. With the offensive line issues, you figure we’d be running quick patterns and build from there just to take some of that pressure off of Bryce having to hold the ball waiting for the downfield stuff to open up.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 12:16 pm to phil4bama
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Please do NOT mention that WR screen again. BOB ran that damn thing multiple times Saturday and almost every time Texas was jumping on it like a duck on a June bug. If he would have faked that thing and threw deep off of it instead just once, our guy would still be running. He’s just so damn stubborn and dense, he does not adjust.
It was so frustrating seeing us run WR screens and them blowing it up immediately, and then seeing Texas run the same screens, and there being a ton of grass, and blockers, and them getting positive plays. Glaring difference between BoB and Sark.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 3:21 pm to Funky Tide 8
O'Brian is bad, but the fact that Saban keeps him is even more frustrating. What does he see in him?............Penn St is gonna destroy the boogs.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 9/12/22 at 5:53 pm to Shocco
OB is trying to run NFL concepts with college kids. And it doesn't always work. It's a lot to process. John Doe likes to say it's chess not checkers. But sometimes it's checkers. Case is point...Jase gets loose on the long TD. A sane person on the next possession, shows that same look, puts the ball in the RB's belly, then throws it over their heads. But we never saw it. Over the next 2-3 weeks I expect Bama to come out simpler (primary, check down, run/get rid of it) and quicker.
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