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ShotQuality SEC Basketball Rankings - Overall/Offense/Defense
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
All Green!!
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
National Top 10
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:37 am to SummerOfGeorge
Rim and Three rate doesn't surprise me for UK. The mid range jumper is Tyty's best shot. Keion, however, takes the worst deeps twos
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:39 am to SummerOfGeorge
Not entirely sure I understand the significance of this formula, but "AU = too low" will be my default response.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:43 am to SummerOfGeorge
This analytic system is only good when it says my team should have won but just got unlucky :)
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:48 am to BoCam2
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Not entirely sure I understand the significance of this formula
college bball has way too many formulas, predictive crap and doo dads.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
Arizona is stacked. They’ve got some trees in that lineup. They are really fun to watch. I would look forward to seeing them in the tourney. One of the few teams who can match our size
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:50 am to BoCam2
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Not entirely sure I understand the significance of this formula, but "AU = too low" will be my default response.
Pretty simply - are you getting good shots on offense and are you preventing good shots on defense. More advanced, are you getting your best shooters good shots on offense and are you preventing the other teams best shooters from getting good shots on defense.
It's a pretty good way to see if your team is running good offense/defense and especially good at telling you if a "hot streak" or "cold streak" is more due to bad play or just plain bad luck (either your own bad shooting luck or opponents good shooting luck).
It's a neat tool. Not the end all be all or anything, but interesting. It's most comparable to advanced hitting/pitching stats in baseball.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:50 am to MrAUTigers
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college bball has way too many formulas, predictive crap and doo dads.
Nah but we do have too many people that don't understand the point of them or try to use them in a way they were not intended
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
So LSU has a shitty offense and really good defense. Don't need a formula to know that. Just watch them play for 10 minutes.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:52 am to rockiee
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Nah but we do have too many people that don't understand the point of them or try to use them in a way they were not intended
Yup
For instance - Auburn is 94th in Rim & 3 Rate this year, which is way lower than their normal. They are taking a lot more mid-range shots.
Well, anybody who has watched Auburn knows why, because Jabari Smith is an assassin with mid-range jumpers and can get it at anytime he wants no matter the defender. So it makes sense to let him do that more this year than players on past Auburn teams, and Pearl has been ok with it.
National Rank in % of Shots at the Rim or 3's - Auburn
2022 - 84% (94th)
2021 - 89% (13th)
2020 - 90% (11th)
Stuff like that is pretty interesting
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:54 am to rockiee
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Nah but we do have too many people that don't understand the point of them or try to use them in a way they were not intended
Seriously, who the frick decides what a "good shot" is? Are you telling me some program can decide that?
ETA Wendell Green Jr. has range a good 3 ft. behind the line............is it a "bad shot" if he takes it?
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:57 am to MrAUTigers
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ETA Wendell Green Jr. has range a good 3 ft. behind the line............is it a "bad shot" if he takes it?
The opposite is probably true. The analytics love 3-pointers that historically have been considered bad shots
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:58 am to MrAUTigers
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Seriously, who the frick decides what a "good shot" is? Are you telling me some program can decide that?
It's not a program, it's guys watching the game and determining what factors were involved in the shot (the same way a coaching staff would)
- off dribble/off a pass
- in flow of offense
- defended/open
Then, ShotQuality has a database of that individual players shooting stats on shots like that. Something like 80 NCAA teams use their database and analysis, and everybody else has some other system they use to get these sorts of analytical numbers and breakouts. I guarantee you Pearl does.
So, for your example
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ETA Wendell Green Jr. has range a good 3 ft. behind the line............is it a "bad shot" if he takes it?
My guess is that Wendell Green long 3s are noted as much better shots than, say, 95% of other players because he has a pretty good PPP statline on 30 footers with hands in his face compared to the rest of the country.
Is it graded as better than a catch and shoot wide open 3? No, probably not, because even as good as he is at launching long 3s I'd be shocked if he's better at that than catch and shoot 3s.
This post was edited on 1/25/22 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/25/22 at 9:59 am to MrAUTigers
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ETA Wendell Green Jr. has range a good 3 ft. behind the line............is it a "bad shot" if he takes it?
It depends, what is his shot% from there?
Its more complicated than a simple shot being categorized as good or bad every time
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:00 am to MrAUTigers
quote:analytics are more likely to say Smith’s mid range jumpers are low quality shots. I need to do more research into this particular metric as this is my first exposure to it.
ETA Wendell Green Jr. has range a good 3 ft. behind the line............is it a "bad shot" if he takes it?
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:01 am to Glorious
I rather like the fact that we’re not relying completely on the three ball like we did in 2019. With our defense and our ability to score from anywhere on the floor, I like our chances in the tournament. Jabari is getting a lot of mid range shots, but so is J. Williams at the same position off the bench
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:01 am to WDE24
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analytics are more likely to say Smith’s mid range jumpers are low quality shots. I need to do more research into this particular metric as this is my first exposure to it.
They probably would in general, but he is so efficient at them that he might even hit the make % threshold that deems them efficient enough to get a green light.
Posted on 1/25/22 at 10:06 am to SummerOfGeorge
Would love to see individual numbers for KD Johnson. He's like a tazmanian devil whirly bird driving through the lane and somehow gets most of those shots to fall.
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