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re: Would The Board (Here not on campus) Be Happy With Kiffin?

Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:25 am to
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:25 am to
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And Kiffin is going to change his ways and save Auburn. Ever.
Maybe so.

But he may get the opportunity to prove you wrong.

Freezus won't.

Why do you insist on trying to sell us on him? Might as well convince us that Bryant is coming back from the grave to coach at AU, it's only slightly less likely.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9961 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:26 am to
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Why do you insist on trying to sell us on him? Might as well convince us that Bryant is coming back from the grave to coach at AU, it's only slightly less likely.






Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50771 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:28 am to
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And not a out of talent or DC is going to fix it. Coaches are who they are. He's been around long enough to show who he is and his flaws. The fact his fans dodge him losing 95% of the big games says enough.

This is fearmongering inaccurate bullshite. Just cut the chase and start rooting for Auburn to become Tennessee just like the others. We will find Kiffin a DC and once we do, if the DC cannot work with the help of his offense dominating the rushing game and the T.O.P then we will find someone else. The 4th down bullshite might even go away as the 4th down stuff is just a product of where he is at.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
14174 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:32 am to
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Why do you insist on trying to sell us on him?
Its more of trying to show you Kiffin is a waste of 4 years and the money. If we are going to hire a future coach it should be one that will last and/or not ran out the door for the same reasons we have our last coaches. Not just keep using the Auburn will fix all his flaws because we want them too.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 9:34 am
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19592 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:36 am to
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Its more of trying to show you Kiffin is a waste of 4 years and the money. If we are going to hire a future coach it should be one that will last and/or not ran out the door for the same reasons we have our last coaches.
That's fine, and a discussion worth having.

But simping for Freezus is a waste of time. He's not getting the gig no matter what happens with Kiff. And even if he did, he would be gone in 4 years for other reasons.

The more this plays out, the more I'm hoping that Fickell is our real target.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 9:37 am
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50771 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:45 am to
We can discuss Fickell tomorrow but until then I’m invested in Kiffin.

I listened to the Mcgready podcast yesterday, and according to them we need to have a new HC present on campus by December 1st before our kids go off for the semester break. We will need to talk to the kids before they decide for or against entering the transfer portal and before tampering starts happening. Apparently December 1st is a very important date. If we are still kicking the tires or negotiating with people not named Kiffin I hope we are keeping that in mind.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
14174 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:50 am to
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But simping for Freezus is a waste of time. He's not getting the gig no matter what happens with Kiff. And even if he did, he would be gone in 4 years for other reasons.
Its no different than Kiffin running around trying to sleep with students. But that's another flaw we will just ignore til time to fire him.
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
53024 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:54 am to
Sure. Glad I wasn't fricking around on the interwebs last night. Woke up to quite the shitshow.
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:56 am to
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Its more of trying to show you Kiffin is a waste of 4 years



How’s that exercise in futility going for ya?

We could be looking in four years no matter who is selected. It’s a dumb argument to keep pounding on the board.

We get it, you are totally against Kiffin. He’s not even our HC at the moment. Your complaint has been lodged and you will be deemed all knowing should Kiffin be the next coach to leave Auburn in four years.

Now, can we move on?
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19592 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 9:58 am to
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Its no different than Kiffin running around trying to sleep with students. But that's another flaw we will just ignore til time to fire him.

You're just not getting it.

No one - NO ONE - here is 'ignoring Kiffin's flaws'. In fact we have discussed them at length, ad infinitum.

But since we're on the subject, do you have any evidence of him "running around trying to sleep with students" while at Ole Miss? I'm genuinely curious.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
9961 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 10:08 am to
This is the thing.. none of us have painted Kiffin as a perfect candidate. But there are reasons he is widely regarded as the biggest possible name in the hiring market this coaching cycle across the nation. It's not smoke and mirrors.

Most of us (me included) thought he was a joke a few years ago but the trajectory of Lane Kiffin has changed. And not because he has hypnotized us.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 10:08 am
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4457 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 10:47 am to
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Its more of trying to show you Kiffin is a waste of 4 years and the money. If we are going to hire a future coach it should be one that will last and/or not ran out the door for the same reasons we have our last coaches. Not just keep using the Auburn will fix all his flaws because we want them too.



I've been reading your takes on this for a while now, and I'm just going to come out and say it:

You are an idiot and you are very wrong about this entire situation. You should just stop.

Lane Kiffin is a VERY strong potential hire by Auburn. Do you want to know how you can confirm that? Please refer to Finebaum and company trying to sell the narrative that Auburn should promote Cadillac as the permanent HC. That entire take is 100% being pushed by Bama to try to derail from the obvious (Lane Kiffin).

Not only are they worried about Kiffin coming to Auburn, but there is also a real contingent within their program that want him to succeed Saban. If Auburn hires Kiffin and he wins, it isn't at all a guarantee that they can just hire him away, nor that he would even want to come at that point. Lane Kiffin at Auburn is an immediate threat to them.

Some of you need to ask yourselves why there is such heavy emphasis on certain media members trying to sell the notion suggesting that Kiffin "shouldn't" take the Auburn job. Or the even dumber notion that Cadillac is "earning his shot to keep the job". These are very obviously piped in narratives that are trying to derail a situation from happening.
Posted by Blueline379
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2016
1281 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 11:22 am to
But muh freeze! He's the next Vince Lombardi. Look at how great his records are! Don't mention any other coaches because none will compare to freeze because he's the greatest coach in history.

This is honestly how some sound. And when you post facts well.....they don't seem to matter! Laughable!
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
17335 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 12:11 pm to
I am fatigued by the Kiffin vs Freeze discussions.

Facts are this:
1. Both guys are light years better than Harsin.
2. Both guys are better than Gus Malzahn (without Chiz’s players).
3. Both guys would have Auburn in the SEC championship game in 4 years.

Auburn is a great school with great fans and great resources. Even average coaches win here.

I am just waiting to see which bandwagon to jump on and get positive.

(As long as it’s not Steele, Muschamp, Lashlee, or Grimes)
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
23768 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 12:29 pm to
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You really thing the average 17/18 y/o athlete cares about a dude cheating on his wife, several years ago, and will pick a school over another one because of that?

I doubt it.

But their parents, especially their mothers, will especially care about the allegations that he was using the hookers for recruits (and make no mistake, that was absolutely the story and Freeze has never denied it). Hell, I'm a father and that would rub me the wrong way.

But please, by all means, continue to deflect from the real issues regarding the guy. You really aren't as bright as you think you are so please stop telling me what I should "delve into" and maybe do some fricking reading yourself.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Blueline379
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2016
1281 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 12:35 pm to
I think freeze is a good coach but there's NOTHING to say that any other coach mentioned in the coaching search could be just as successful as him. Any coach hired could come here and suck or be a juggernaut. The truth is no one has a clue how any of them will do at auburn. It's all speculation! Everyone has their own opinions who they want. Unfortunately we don't get a real say who's hired.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14389 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:31 pm to
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Not just keep using the Auburn will fix all his flaws because we want them too.

This!

Some just want it to be so, therefore it is. Throw out all the evidence to the contrary, because this time it will be different.

Kiffin loses in the Sugar Bowl, and it's because his starting QB is hurt. Kiffin goes to Arky, and get skull drug up and down the field. Hugh Freeze goes into Fayetteville with his 3rd string QB, and knocks them off.

No doubt Kiffin is a good offensive coach, and I'm sure we'd have a much better offense with him at the helm. But he's just the other side of a Will Muschamp coin. Both will get you good players for their side of the ball, and coach them up, but the otherside will fail miserably. The next time a Kiffin team has a good defense, will be the first time.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14389 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:39 pm to
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But their parents, especially their mothers, will especially care
Yep! All the mother's at super-Christian Liberty University are all up in arms about their baby playing for Freeze. Malik Willis' mother is probably drying her tears with the hundred dollar bills her son is drowning her in from his NFL money.

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You really aren't as bright as you think you are so please stop telling me what I should "delve into" and maybe do some fricking reading yourself.
Alrighty then!
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14389 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 5:51 pm to
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I think freeze is a good coach but there's NOTHING to say that any other coach mentioned in the coaching search could be just as successful as him. Any coach hired could come here and suck or be a juggernaut. The truth is no one has a clue how any of them will do at auburn. It's all speculation! Everyone has their own opinions who they want. Unfortunately we don't get a real say who's hired.


Agreed. It's speculation, but based on prior history. Rhule has a history of turning abysmal programs around. Kiffin has a history of really good offenses coupled with above average QB play. Freeze has won everywhere he's been. His 3 losses this year, was from a combined total of 5 points. Let that sink in...5 points.

Now the negative side. Rhule doesn't have any SEC experience. Kiffin has a history of being a flake. His teams have below average defenses. He seems to take zero interest in defense. Kiffin's 3 losses have a combined total of 45 points. When he losses, he does in a spectatucular fashion and it's usually decided before the half. Freeze has a scandalous past. He got caught buying players, and cheated on his wife.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
14174 posts
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:03 pm to
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No one - NO ONE - here is 'ignoring Kiffin's flaws'. In fact we have discussed them at length, ad infinitum.
No you haven't. You dodge anyone pointing out the fact he hasn't beaten anyone good his entire time at Ole Miss. Then every time someone mentions no defense the response is "We will get a great DC and he'll have auburn talent". It's brushed off as "it will fix itself" when he comes to Auburn just cause or turned into personal attacks because his fans can't explain how he is a great coach but yet can't beat anyone. He gets stomped by a 5-5 Arkansas team and it's "well he had alot of yards". It's just one excuse after another and never talking about him like you would if he weren't coming to Auburn. You would be saying the same things as everyone else asking why in world they think he is so great.
This post was edited on 11/22/22 at 6:06 pm
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