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re: What I’m hearing (coaching search)

Posted on 11/15/25 at 9:43 am to
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 9:43 am to
That would be underwhelming
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 9:57 am to
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I'm afraid many are sleeping on Franklin. 2 nine win seasons at Vandy 6 or 7 10 win seasons at Penn State.

I see a lot of people complaining about him not winning big games but keep in mind he was stringing together those 10 win seasons when the Big10 was pretty damn good. Michigan Ohio State Minnesota hell Michigan State and Iowa were good.


No, we're not sleeping on him. You need to do some actual research.

The two 9-win seasons at Vandy were a joke once you actually look at the schedules. His best SEC win over those two seasons came against an 8-win Georgia team. They beat no other ranked opponents during those two seasons, and basically feasted on an SEC East that was in utter turmoil. Florida, Tennessee, and Kentucky were all hot garbage. When he played SEC West teams, he completely lucked out and got to play the abysmal 3-win Auburn team in Chizik's final season in 2012, but missed the 2013 Auburn team that nearly won the Natty. Apart from Auburn he got to play Ole Miss in Freeze's first two seasons there and went 1-1 against Freeze.

Your understanding of the Big Ten and Penn State's relation to it is not up to par. Penn State was the ~3rd most talented team in that conference, and nearly equal in talent to Michigan on a year to year basis. Go and actually look at those 9-10 win seasons he had at Penn State. They would normally play just 3-4 ranked opponents per year - two of which were OSU and Michigan. He would routinely lose both of those matchups, and would beat a team like ~#20 Illinois. The rest of the wins would come against weak Big Ten teams like Indiana, NC State, Maryland, etc. which would routinely float around with 5-7 win seasons. The important thing to understand is that none of those teams had anywhere near as much talent as Penn State was fielding. So he would beat the teams that he could out-talent, but would almost always lose whenever the talent differential was comparable (ie: Michigan) or against his favor (ie: OSU). That is why his record against ranked opponents is so horrible.

Gus Malzahn had a considerably better record against ranked opponents at Auburn than Franklin did at Penn State, and Malzahn had a much harder path to achieve that record. Why? Because we played more ranked opponents in a stronger conference, and Auburn's talent level relative to the rest of the conference was worse than Penn State's was in the Big Ten.

What you need to understand is that Auburn will never "out-talent" the rest of the SEC. At best, we will field seasons wherein we have comparable talent to teams like Bama, LSU, Texas, Georgia, A&M, etc, etc. In most seasons we will have less talent than those teams. Therefore, a successful coach at Auburn absolutely has to be able to do "more with less" to some degree. James Franklin is the literal opposite of that. The only teams he beats with regularity are the ones that he clearly out-talents. That isn't likely to work in the SEC where there are a half-dozen teams that will field at least equal (and usually greater) talent than Auburn does. Again, Michigan fielded only marginally better talent than Penn State did during Franklin's tenure and yet they beat him 7 out of 10 times.
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 10:06 am
Posted by AUarch79
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2013
684 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:32 am to
I prefer Key assuming he brings the OC and staff and retains Durkin
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44854 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:40 am to
What? Nothing says we are serious like Neal Brown
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4346 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:41 am to
Here are your James Franklin facts:

2014: 0 wins vs. ranked opponents (7 wins total)
2015: 0 wins vs. ranked opponents (7 wins total)
2016: 2 wins vs. ranked opponents (11 wins total)
2017: 2 wins vs. ranked opponents (11 wins total)
2018: 1 win vs. ranked opponents (9 wins total)
2019: 3 wins vs. ranked opponents (11 wins total)
2020: 0 wins vs. ranked opponents (5 wins total)
2021: 2 wins vs. ranked opponents (7 wins total)
2022: 1 win vs. ranked opponents (11 wins total)
2023: 1 win vs. ranked opponents (10 wins total)
2024: 3 wins vs. ranked opponents (13 wins total)

Last year they played just TWO ranked opponents all the way up until the Big Ten Championship game, which is absolutely absurd. Those two opponents? A loss to #4 OSU, and a win against #19 Illinois. So he made the Big Ten Championship game in a season where his ONLY ranked win was against #19 Illinois

Guys, this has literally zero carryover to the SEC. Look at the 2022 season LMAO: 11 wins total, but 10 came against unranked opponents. When is that ever going to happen in the modern SEC? Auburn's 2025 schedule features 6 ranked opponents, with basically all of them being ~Top 15 opponents (Mizzou and Vanderbilt were both ranked #16 when we played them).
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 10:43 am
Posted by TiggerWoods
Auburn
Member since Nov 2010
4240 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:44 am to
Neal didn’t work at WVU so it makes him a bad OC candidate?
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19456 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:45 am to
you make excellent points, meta

we really don’t need another retread HC like Franklin or Jimbo, who have both proven they aren’t willing to put in the work, hard work

i think at this point in time AU needs a young guy out to prove he can compete with the top teams in the league despite our built in disadvantages

Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
3933 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:55 am to
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but I want the HC to freely pick their assistants.


That worked out so well for Harsin and Napier. That's one of the things with the G5 coaches, alot of the time they want their G5 assistants.

That being said I'm not so sure Muschamp, Garner, and Steele were Gus Malzahn's hires. Doesn't that just feel like the program itself pulling some strings? I think this is being overblown as an issue.
Posted by The_SwAUggford
Member since Jan 2013
3933 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 11:05 am to
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I don't get the Lea hate. You guys all want a "CEO coach" but then subsequently punish a guy for making the best CEO move in college football by bringing in Pavia/Kill/Beck


He should absolutely be given credit for that, its the same reason im high on key, but how replicatable is it? If Kill and Beck are coming with him he shoots up the list no doubt but they wont be bringing Pavia. And then what about when Kill hangs em up? Feels like a much larger gamble than Key for these reasons.
Posted by EddieFelson
The Fast One
Member since Jan 2016
136 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 11:10 am to
Was always led to believe that he/she worked for Pat Dye Jr.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50011 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 11:18 am to
Great point. Coach Kill is old. He will retire soon. Can he continue replicating high quality of coaching and performance?

Another thing Lea mostly operates under conditions of low NIL for their lesser regarded players that for the most part plays to win and not for a check.

When NIL kicks up a notch are they going to be able to handle the locker room?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19196 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 11:22 am to
I just went through Franklin's PSU record year by year. Here's what I found:

Total Ranked Opponents: 46
Wins: 14
Loss: 32
Win percentage: .304

Top 10 opponents: 25
Wins: 3
Loss: 22
Win percentage: .120

Franklin faced SEC teams 4 times in bowls. He lost all of them.

2015: Unranked Georgia
2018: #14 Kentucky
2021: #21 Arkansas
2023: #11 Ole Miss

He only faced an SEC team twice in the regular season. Both games were against Auburn under Harsin. He won both, with the game at JHS being an embarassing blowout. Auburn totally JABA'd that up - Franklin would have been winless against the SEC otherwise.
Posted by FahQGump
Auburn, Al
Member since Dec 2021
1436 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 11:23 am to
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very well connected. They were money back doing the ATPB days
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
69366 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:09 pm to
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He only faced an SEC team twice in the regular season. Both games were against Auburn under Harsin. He won both, with the game at JHS being an embarassing blowout. Auburn totally JABA'd that up - Franklin would have been winless against the SEC otherwise.



i have no idea why any Auburn fan would want him. He had not done well against good teams and he basically is a dud. No personality.


frick that guy. Hire someone else


Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53587 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:14 pm to
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have no idea why any Auburn fan would want him. He had not done well against good teams and he basically is a dud. No personality.


Would honestly be the worst hire we could probably make
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50011 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:15 pm to
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have no idea why any Auburn fan would want him. He had not done well against good teams and he basically is a dud.

His career record is 125-57 and has two Fiesta Bowl victories, 1 Cotton Bowl victory, and a Rose Bowl.

He is Malzahn on steroids while all we are is a losing program. Are you kidding me?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50011 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:17 pm to
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Would honestly be the worst hire we could probably make

Anybody that can get Auburn to 8 wins is an automatic upgrade already.
Posted by metafour
Member since Feb 2007
4346 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:40 pm to
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His career record is 125-57 and has two Fiesta Bowl victories, 1 Cotton Bowl victory, and a Rose Bowl.

He is Malzahn on steroids while all we are is a losing program. Are you kidding me?


Dude, read the stats that are being posted. You can't use some nonsense Big Ten record and pretend like its comparable. Like I said, fricking Gus Malzahn has a MUCH better record against teams that actually matter.

Nobody gives a shite that Franklin can beat 6-win Rutgers and the ilk 7-8 times a season. That doesn't exist in the SEC. Here you play like ~2 "bad" conference teams a year, and even those pose a challenge because they are sandwiched in between a bunch of elite opponents.
Posted by pdfield34
Member since Aug 2022
565 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:45 pm to
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Sumrall
OC Neal Brown
Dc DJD

Defensive staff probably stays largely intact.
I’d expect Craddock to follow Sumrall likely as qb coach.


Welp, at least we'll know definitively who has a stranglehold on the program.

We can go ahead and just concede to UA, UGA, Texas and Texas AM.

Maybe we can start our own championship cup / series with Missouri, Ark, South Carolina.

Never in my life did I imagine I'd be so lucky as to see Hal Mumme AND
Chad Morris disciples on staff to develop QBs.
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
50011 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:47 pm to
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Like I said, fricking Gus Malzahn has a MUCH better record against teams that actually matter.

Disagree. He regularly lost 5 games a year and will not forgive him for that.

So Lanier acting like Franklin is inferior to Auburn after knighting for Malzahn is hypocrisy at it's finest hour.
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 12:49 pm
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