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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:07 am to
Posted by Smoke7024
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 6:07 am to
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You do realize that there are only two rounds in the NBA draft, right? That is 60 picks. Cooper may be 6' tall. He is a tremendous passer. What else can he do average?


Yes, I’m familiar with how the NBA draft works.

He’s an average to below average outside shooter. He’s shown potential everywhere else. It’s very likely that a team may take a chance on him late lottery. They can help him develop a shot when he gets there. I just personally think he’s going to struggle at the next level. I 100% could be wrong.

That website has the most outliers of any mock I’ve seen. Cooper has been projected late lottery to mid first round in most.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 6:08 am
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:21 am to
It comes down to whether he wants to play at Auburn with his teammates.

I don’t think a team steps up in top 10 picks to take him. He’s small and not a great shooter. He certainly has “court vision.”

He not poor so maybe he wants another year to prove something in college.
Posted by Smoke7024
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:39 am to
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It comes down to whether he wants to play at Auburn with his teammates.


Agree 100%

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I don’t think a team steps up in top 10 picks to take him. He’s small and not a great shooter. He certainly has “court vision.”


Yep, he's shown he's great to elite at the stuff he's good at doing. He can't control his size and I think NBA teams will overlook the shooting since he's so good in other areas. I don't see where he can improve his stock that much with another year, unless next draft class is weaker.
Posted by AA7
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 7:48 am to
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and I think NBA teams will overlook the shooting

I don’t think they’ll completely overlook it, but I don’t think it’s as big of a knock as a lot of people think. With that said, if he came back and proved he can even be average from 3, then I think that boosts his draft spot a good bit and would be easily in the lotto.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:09 am to
I think he could jump to late lottery-early 20's this year to 8-12 range next year with a great season. Is that worth it? Some would say yes, some would say no. Just depends on what he wants to do, ultimately, as you said.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:32 am to
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Yep, he's shown he's great to elite at the stuff he's good at doing. He can't control his size and I think NBA teams will overlook the shooting since he's so good in other areas.



Take the Auburn glasses off.

Say he played for UF........would you say he is a "just outside the lottery" pick? His distribution is outstanding. You are right about his size, but it is a factor. His shooting is below sub-par. He is a liability on the D end of the floor. He won't be able to drive in the NBA like he does in college........so where will his points come from?
Posted by auburnnyc94
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 8:45 am to
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He won't be able to drive in the NBA like he does in college


Actually he will be able to drive easier than he does in college
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:07 am to
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Actually he will be able to drive easier than he does in college


o.k.. College teams are eaten up with 6'10"+ players around the rim.
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:08 am to
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Take the Auburn glasses off.


What?

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Say he played for UF........would you say he is a "just outside the lottery" pick?


Yeah, several mocks have him in that spot. It's not an outlandish projection.

Where do you think he's going to improve massively in another year at Auburn? That's the question. He's shown he's elite at some things and he can't change his size. The only real thing he can improve is his shooting and NBA teams will overlook that more than people think because they probably want to work on that themselves.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:36 am to
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o.k.. College teams are eaten up with 6'10"+ players around the rim.


Not sure what you are attempting to do here.. is it sarcasm? An incomplete thought?

There is almost no space in the college game. Watch even these high level games, deep into the NCAA tourney. When someone drives, the defense collapses. Sharife has a really hard time finishing with a collapsing defense, and when he kicks it out to even wide open shooters, we didn't convert them at a great rate.

In the NBA, when he beats his man off the dribble (which he will do, again, I haven't seen anyone even almost capable of staying in front of him yet), he will find maybe one help defender at the rim. Depending on who it is, he might be able to finish. If it's Rudy Gobert or someone of his ilk, he will use his extraordinary vision to find a wide open shooter who will then make the defense pay.

His court vision and quickness will play much better in the spacious NBA. If you watched him this year, his 2 pt% struggles were mostly in a clogged lane. When it was just one man, he finished at a much higher rate.

I do agree with most everyone's assessment that the shooting needs to improve. That much is clear. The difference between me and most everyone on this board is that I think his NBA floor is much higher than you all do. If his outside shooting remains as it is now, his likely NBA fate to me is a good second unit floor general who can create instant offense off the bench. If the shot ever comes along though, he will be a star.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:38 am to
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Where do you think he's going to improve massively in another year at Auburn?


His shot. His mechanics are horrible. He falls away when he shoots.........even on FT's at times.

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He's shown he's elite at some things


He has shown he is an outstanding passer. What are these other things he is elite at? That being said, there were several teams that shut him down completely this year. These were the more athletic teams. The NBA is the most athletic league in the world, IMO.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 9:39 am
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 9:48 am to
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His shot. His mechanics are horrible. He falls away when he shoots.........even on FT's at times.


I agree with that. I just believe an NBA team will take a chance because they can work on his shooting mechanics. Really, they'd probably rather coach that part up with their coaches.

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What are these other things he is elite at?


Court vision and passing. His first step is also elite. He'll just need to be able to beat the guy guarding him. NBA is all about space now, so he may be paired with a 4 and 5 that can shoot. He'll be able to get to the rim against a lot of teams. Will struggle against the Rudy Gobert's and Clint Capela's of the world.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 10:39 am to
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Yes, I’m familiar with how the NBA draft works.

He’s an average to below average outside shooter. He’s shown potential everywhere else. It’s very likely that a team may take a chance on him late lottery. They can help him develop a shot when he gets there. I just personally think he’s going to struggle at the next level. I 100% could be wrong.

That website has the most outliers of any mock I’ve seen. Cooper has been projected late lottery to mid first round in most.


I feel that the NBA, in no way will spend any type of lottery money on Cooper, bc he can be developed.
With his height, and with avg elevation on his shots, I don't think they will spend that kind of money.

I can see him going late first, or 2nd, or even not be drafted. He just doesn't have ENOUGH high level skills for that kind of money.

Now he, and his family make think any money he makes is worth going pro regardless where or if he is picked. That is the most unknown for him and his thoughts on when he wants to try pros.
Posted by Tigerman97
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:26 pm to
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Now he, and his family make think any money he makes is worth going pro regardless where or if he is picked. That is the most unknown for him and his thoughts on when he wants to try pros.


It really comes down to this...his family situation is unique and will likely be the determining factor whether or not he is ready.

We have a limited sample but he doesn't look lottery elite at his size. If he had a 40% 3pt shot I'd guess late lottery to mid 1st is his ceiling. I disagree that NBA teams want to develop players. They want to spend the money for the best value. If he comes out I'll bet he isn't drafted in the 1st round and would venture the same guess for Thor. Thor's unique size and physical talent might tempt a team late 1st, but I doubt it.

This is an Auburn board and selfishly I hope he comes back, but if he goes I just hope he gets a decent draft position. That can also be used to Bruce's advantage in recruiting.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 12:27 pm
Posted by TTsTowel
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 12:56 pm to
Greg Brown may enter the transfer portal?
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:15 pm to
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Actually he will be able to drive easier than he does in college


Drive yes. Finishing will be his challenge. The 2 games he struggled the most were vs UK and Mizzou. Both had NBA length at the rim.
Posted by auburnnyc94
Member since Nov 2017
10146 posts
Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:46 pm to
Agree somewhat, but in most cases where he just had to finish over or around one big.. he did well. Those teams collapsed on him and he struggled. They can't collapse with NBA shooting/spacing.
Posted by PubeCrab
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 1:48 pm to
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He is a liability on the D end of the floor.

I don’t think this has been factored in enough, he was abused in numerous games on the defensive end. I’ve been on the slow your hype train this season and still will be surprised if he is drafted in the top 20. Another season would really improve his stock imo.
Posted by TheJones
Member since Nov 2009
34604 posts
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:07 pm to
Is the rookie contract difference in going #20-#25 and #10-#15 that much different? I’m looking at the scale now.

Admittedly, I’m a casual NBA fan. I don’t know any of the nuances here but it seems to me that the big payday is the second contract. If one year only advances me 10 spots then I’m not sure I stay in college. Someone explain this to me
Posted by PubeCrab
Member since May 2014
856 posts
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:26 pm to
True...

10 looks like 11.8 million for 1st 3 years vs say 21 at 6.9 million.

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