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Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:38 pm
Posted by Rhymenoceros
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Nov 2012
4731 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:38 pm
This shite has to get under control and on the same page. So that Michigan DB who just dropped his head and hit the Iowa QB in the face isn’t targeting but TD Moultry’s in the MSU game is? Absurdity
Posted by Sput
Member since Mar 2020
9135 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:39 pm to
Refs hate us because of Bo
Posted by ChexMix
Taste the Deliciousness
Member since Apr 2014
25494 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:42 pm to
SEC refs are the worst in the game. Well, the worst if you dont count the replay booth officials
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21320 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:43 pm to
I guess I just don’t understand the targeting rule dude clearly led with the crown.
Posted by AuSteeler
montgomery. AL
Member since Jan 2015
2989 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:48 pm to
I agree.

Just watched and even the ref analyst said it was targeting as he definitely lowered his head and then helmet to helmet on QB.

I really want to know what their booth reviewer deemed as reason for not targeting.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21320 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 8:52 pm to
No accountability. Lack of pay on lower ends of football like in smaller conferences and in high school makes it almost impossible to make it to big time college football.

If you want to move up like that as a ref you end up doing high school football, girls basketball, jr high baseball, slow pitch softball then maybe you get picked up by some gulf coast conference or some shite like that. But you better not turn a gig down even if travel cost you more then you make
Posted by Fear The Thumb
Coastal, AL
Member since Nov 2012
3599 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 10:04 pm to
I guess Zacoby was supposed to let Penn St. score at the goal line, pussy ball.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9198 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:02 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9198 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

No accountability. Lack of pay on lower ends of football like in smaller conferences and in high school makes it almost impossible to make it to big time college football.


With over 20 years of officiating at all levels of rules ..National Federation, NCAA, Modified NCAA and NFL I suggest ...

If you want to make it ... I don't advise doing Girl's sports ....The SEC and DIV One leagues are most interested in your knowledge of football and not so much being a Jack of all trades and master of none.

Officials get scouted just as players do. Appearance, Age, condition and state test scores play a huge factor with getting invited to be seen. In my case I traveled from Clearwater to Gainesville twice a week at the invitation of the SEC. Without pay. A promotion at work ended my thoughts of being on a SEC Field. 60K more a year was more attractive than the hobby. Momma likes the idea of over six figures plus bonuses.

Pay for High School was anywhere between $55 dollars a game to $100 based on the level of the teams involved. In Florida we saw Number one ranked playing number two ranked several times in a season. Miami Dade and Bradenton Southeast were games you hoped to draw in the Association lottery.

No accountability. Try being evaluated the day after every game in a hobby. No one notices that Frank, the Line Judge is not there the following year. They are interested in coaches and players. Frank is not there because he didn't grade well several weeks in a season.
Division One evaluates after every game, as does the NFL.
There are two evaluations. The White Hat evaluates his own crew, then the Conference Crew Evaluator compares his notes with the White Hat.

The NFL is trying to make Officiating a career. Much like MLB, Hockey and Basketball. Not quite there yet. Like I said ...Officiating is a hobby. Most of the guys doing high school football, then boy's or girl's basketball, then soccer or baseball have careers (Police was a good one) and want a little more pocket change on the side.

You are scouted and evaluated before being interviewed for a invitation. A college degree becomes a must. State test scores required in football.


This game becomes more difficult because ...the fans and coaches get rules mixed up and no one knows the "Points of Emphasis" for that season. Changes not written in the book ...someone's wet dream in the rules committee.

We would challenge coaches to take our test each year. Most scored below 65%. Not enough to get on the field. State required 70% and our Association required a minimum of 75%.


We had guys in the Association that scored 95-99 each year....that You never wanted to be on a field with. No field presence. Could not apply the rules to the game.

One night, we put a 99 point wonder at Back Judge to get him out of the way. Play to my side, every one pushing and shoving. I'm standing still watching. Whistle blows, Back Judge runs up as I dropped the bean bag. "What are you watching?, his forward momentum was stopped!" I reached over, picked up the ball and put it into his stomach ... "They still haven't recovered the fumble yet."

You are taught at every level to keep your mouth shut. Do not talk while on the field coming or going from the game. The last thing you want is to say a something about a coach or a player, your comment overheard and the following morning the sports journalists have headlines blasting "Officials judge the coaches use of time outs in the last minutes of the game. " Leave that to the fans and the sports writers.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 8:51 pm
Posted by 88TIger
Member since Nov 2012
3490 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 9:29 pm to
quote:

The NFL is trying to make Officiating a career.
quote:

Not quite there yet. Like I said ...Officiating is a hobby.
I thought they were paid anywhere from 150-200k a year which I would call a career.

Appreciate the insight. I have a very good friend of mine who has been doing it for years in FL and IN where he lives now. He mainly stays at the HS level because when he was doing colleges, etc it was costing him money.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21320 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 10:08 pm to
Thanks for the insight Bluedragon wasn’t aware you were a ref. My father-in-law is a football ref in AHSAA. He only does football although getting a little old now.

Yes I’m aware that most high school refs/umps it’s a hobby but college refs are paid more then chump change.

Not sure if I’ve mentioned here or was on another board. I gave up coaching football 3 seasons ago. I could make more money on my side business. When I included my head coach baseball/OC football the hours I was putting in I was make just a little over $2 something an hour. Not all coaches in high school makes what the 7A schools pay. Like where I am the softball program has won and played for 2 other state titles in the last 6 years and the coach makes $4k a year more on top of her teaching salary.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9198 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 7:33 am to
You cannot make a career out of Officiating NCAA. The pay is simply not enough.

In the NFL ...$150,000 a year is not anywhere near what most make in their real jobs. We follow a Official that played in Oklahoma State, went to the NCAA and officiated in the Big12 and is now officiating in the NFL ...

His Dad was the Director of Officiating for the NFL and recently retired. You can bet the Network and Dad's connections got him on a NFL crew.

He doesn't do much, simply has a insurance Agency that now runs itself ...Makes a lot more selling insurance than the NFL Career.

One would think 150k is a career ...but is it? Especially when your job could end after one bad season....Still a hobby.
Posted by Awesome Dave
Auburn, AL
Member since Sep 2014
895 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:07 am to
quote:

In the NFL ...$150,000 a year is not anywhere near what most make in their real jobs.


Well I feel like a loser.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35227 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:12 am to
quote:

One night, we put a 99 point wonder at Back Judge to get him out of the way. Play to my side, every one pushing and shoving. I'm standing still watching. Whistle blows, Back Judge runs up as I dropped the bean bag. "What are you watching?, his forward momentum was stopped!" I reached over, picked up the ball and put it into his stomach ... "They still haven't recovered the fumble yet."


Am I reading this wrong or are you trying to say you picked up a live ball to make a point to a back judge who scored higher than you on a test?
Posted by jangalang
Member since Dec 2014
52220 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:15 am to
quote:

Am I reading this wrong or are you trying to say you picked up a live ball to make a point to a back judge who scored higher than you on a test?

That’s what I’m reading although the wonderlic wiz already blew the play dead.
Posted by RandySavage
9 Time Natty Winner
Member since May 2012
35227 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:18 am to
quote:

the wonderlic wiz already blew the play dead.


True.
Posted by slacker130
Your mom
Member since Jul 2010
8964 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 8:30 am to
quote:

the fans and coaches get rules mixed up and no one knows the "Points of Emphasis" for that season.


Points of Emphasis are my favorite. Remember a few seasons back when they were stopping plays and sending players off the field because their knees where showing? Now, half the team looks like they're wearing shorts, so I guess that emphasis was removed. That was awesome officiating.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
9198 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 3:06 pm to
Corch, you'll enjoy this as a coach.

My crew was assigned the game of the week. National broadcast. White Hat detested TV Games. One team featured what was supposed to be the greatest running back of the season. Racking up 250 yards plus a game.

The crew is beat up. The Back Judge has a strained calf. Head Linesman a twisted ankle and the Umpire can't run thirty feet without an air tank. Back Judge is moved to Line Judge and I'm moved to Back Judge.

First quarter no score. Second quarter, running back busts one loose .....75 yards and tackled at the five. I'm running flat out, brake and momentum carries me into the end zone. I come back out, chattering like always..."Great run 42, well done 35 on the tackle. Leave the ball on the ground, use the ground to get up...Great sportsmanship 35, helping the opponent to his feet. Well done guys."

Set the ball on the five at the left hash mark. Waited ....umpire arrives with both teams flowing to their sides ..."First and goal at the five, left hash mark, rock and roll on the ready." (Tells the umpire the ball was inbounds and the clock starts when the White Hat arrives.

I go to the back line of the end zone under the cross bar. TV camera looking over my shoulder. teams breaks the huddles and I hear a whistle. Reach over and start the play clock.

No one moves ......beep, beep, beep, beep alarm goes off. Blow whistle and launch the flag.

Umpire turns and yells "Ray ! Injury time out look!" 70 yards up the field a lineman is down ....Team trainers on the field and Paramedics coming out.

Camera Man says "I bet you are embarrassed" I forgot he was there, jump five feet in the air. "Nope, trying to figure out how I can fit my fat butt under this 4x4 pylon." "Don't worry, we had reset the cameras. No one saw anything."

Picked up the flag.

Halftime, Jim (White Hat) asks ...."Delay of game on the Paramedics?"

What can you say? "Too slow."

They made up an award for the following Association meeting. First flag on Paramedics.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
21320 posts
Posted on 12/7/21 at 4:14 pm to
That is very funny. It’s crazy the amount of stuff you’ll see at the high school level. It’s even worse at the pee wee level.
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