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Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:10 am to Leto II
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:10 am to Leto II
quote:Funny, but Gustav yanked JJ after his third start in 2015.
His weakness was not having illicit pictures of Gus like Jeremy Johnson did to keep getting on the field.
He only got back on the field because SW got hurt, and we had no one else worth a damn.
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Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:11 am to LanierSpots
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Should have tased the frick out of him.
Agreed. Why did these dumbass cops decide it was a good idea to engage in a wrestling match with a guy that size? As soon as he got aggressive they should have ran some volts through him. Had they handled it that way, this wouldn't be viral right now. It would have been just another dumb thug getting tased and arrested... And the cops wouldn't look like punks for getting manhandled 1 vs 3.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:18 am to BuckFama334
Your blaming the cops for how they handled him?
Its easier to see the video and see how they should have handled it, right? Always easier in hindsight.
I don't think they looked like punks...what ever that really means. I sense they didn't expect a guy to body slam one of them. (and I think the other started to pull his tazer/gun, but put it back and tried to handle him forcefully.
Its easier to see the video and see how they should have handled it, right? Always easier in hindsight.
I don't think they looked like punks...what ever that really means. I sense they didn't expect a guy to body slam one of them. (and I think the other started to pull his tazer/gun, but put it back and tried to handle him forcefully.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:32 am to AuSteeler
I'm not necessarily blaming the cops. Lessons are best learned the hard way if you live through them. If that cop's head had busted on the pavement like a watermelon, he would be dead.
I doubt that cop decides to engage physically with a huge, unstable man next time. Cops carry less than lethal weapons for a reason. He should have used his in this scenario.
I doubt that cop decides to engage physically with a huge, unstable man next time. Cops carry less than lethal weapons for a reason. He should have used his in this scenario.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 8:41 am to AuSteeler
Cops are having to walk on egg shells these days due to our pussy society. 20 years ago they would have pulled out some billy clubs and beat the shite out of him. Which is what he should have gotten. I dont care who he is.
Its just another result of our shitty society and everyone crying and getting their way. There are no leaders and no authority anymore.
Its just another result of our shitty society and everyone crying and getting their way. There are no leaders and no authority anymore.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:00 am to LanierSpots
I generally back the po and don't have a huge problem with that video but the cop continued aggression a couple of times when it looks like maybe the situation could have been diffused. But hard to say for sure without being able to hear what was going on.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:03 am to BuckFama334
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Cops carry less than lethal weapons for a reason. He should have used his in this scenario.
He did. You can see him using mace and Harris covering his face with his hoodie.
Now I'm not saying Harris was in the right by any means. Any time you put your hands on a cop in that fashion you deserve the prison time you are going to get. HOWEVER there is NO WAY that i can be the only one who thinks that it was ENTIRELY preventable had the cop not gotten up in his face and put his hands on his neck.
Again... I am NOT condoning the actions of Harris IN THE SLIGHTEST but this could have been easily prevented had the male officer acted professionally. There is no reason for him to step up on someone and get in their face like that and there certainly is not a reason in the world for that officer to place his hands around anyones neck... criminal or not. People who commit crimes are absolutely still people. They should be treated as such.
I fully respect police officers and appreciate the job they do with the danger they place on their lives daily for the sake of public safety, but cops are NOT immune to scrutiny.
This entire situation could have been avoided had he acted more professionally and not tried to be some badass by stepping up on Harris. And putting his hands around his neck is unacceptable in any sense.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:19 am to FearlessFreep
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He only got back on the field because SW got hurt, and we had no one else worth a damn.
Ok, Sean White was the one with the pictures then
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:21 am to auburn2eugene
I couldn’t agree more. I don’t know why a cop isn’t thinking desculation of the situation when he is butting heads against a swole college linebacker that isn’t all there, but he needs to learn it fast. Especially if his partner is just going to watch it happen.
I’ve worked in the ER and have seen male nurses act violently against overdosed and drunk patients and ive seen deesculation. Deescalation always works better. The patient would have to be on bath salts to not understand “calm down”from the softest tongue. So if you ever encounter someone on bath salts just forget about lip service, go straight for the knockout
All kidding aside. I know his PD has given better training than that.
I’ve worked in the ER and have seen male nurses act violently against overdosed and drunk patients and ive seen deesculation. Deescalation always works better. The patient would have to be on bath salts to not understand “calm down”from the softest tongue. So if you ever encounter someone on bath salts just forget about lip service, go straight for the knockout
All kidding aside. I know his PD has given better training than that.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:30 am to auburn2eugene
Bottom line is that this was a large, unstable man that needed to be arrested. The cops were there to detain him. There are 1000 different ways that can play out. In the video, Harris cycles from the Hulk to passive to trying to get back into the vehicle. The best way to handle this is the safest (physicallly and legally) way for you and your fellow officers.
Engaging in a physical confrontation with a large, unstable man gets you picked up 7 feet in the air and slammed. As soon as this got even a little sideways, one of the officers should have deployed the prongs into Harris.
That solution no longer makes Harris a danger to you or the public. It also gets the job (detaining Harris) done in the safest way possible.
Engaging in a physical confrontation with a large, unstable man gets you picked up 7 feet in the air and slammed. As soon as this got even a little sideways, one of the officers should have deployed the prongs into Harris.
That solution no longer makes Harris a danger to you or the public. It also gets the job (detaining Harris) done in the safest way possible.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:32 am to jangalang
Deescalation techniques rarely get handcuffs onto a large, combative individual.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 9:50 am to BuckFama334
The fight started over searching the vehicle. Harris should’ve been 10 feet away from the vehicle and looking away imo. Simple common sense SOPs can go a long way. If he objects, all three cops should’ve been standing there ready to put cuffs on.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 12:16 pm to RandySavage
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I generally back the po and don't have a huge problem with that video but the cop continued aggression a couple of times when it looks like maybe the situation could have been diffused. But hard to say for sure without being able to hear what was going on.
You mean the part where they were talking to him and he tried to get in his car? Maybe to leave or maybe to get a weapon?
Yea, I dont know man. Looked like he was not going to cooperate. Maybe they should have just let him go. That way, nothing would have happened. Right?
Posted on 2/14/20 at 12:26 pm to LanierSpots
I thought they handled that very well. Guessing they took his alleged mental state into factoring their level of force.
For wherever reason, Harris felt like he needed to fight back. Could be drugs, mental health, or a bad attitude. Maybe we’ll find out.
We really don’t know 1) why the police handled that the way they did (I think they we’re great) 2) why Harris thought what he was doing was a good idea.
The video, as they tend to do, is just going to reaffirm or exacerbate our existing views on these altercations as a whole.
Hope everyone involved is OK. Officers expect and are trained for these interactions but they can take a toll on the man and the people around them.
For wherever reason, Harris felt like he needed to fight back. Could be drugs, mental health, or a bad attitude. Maybe we’ll find out.
We really don’t know 1) why the police handled that the way they did (I think they we’re great) 2) why Harris thought what he was doing was a good idea.
The video, as they tend to do, is just going to reaffirm or exacerbate our existing views on these altercations as a whole.
Hope everyone involved is OK. Officers expect and are trained for these interactions but they can take a toll on the man and the people around them.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 12:33 pm to TheJones
I read an article that said Harris was banging his head on the police cruiser while handcuffed. The cops did okay. There is always room for improvement but they didn’t embarrass anybody. They can’t talk that kind of erratic behavior down. They actually had to put him into additional restraints and had the medics give him a cocktail shot.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 2:20 pm to BuckFama334
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Cops carry less than lethal weapons for a reason. He should have used his in this scenario.
They sprayed him with pepper spray but he blocked most of it with his hoodie and whatever did get on him had no effect.
Posted on 2/14/20 at 6:40 pm to LanierSpots
This is some boot licking, authority loving, boomer shite if I ever saw it. Jesus. Their job is to protect and serve, not satisfy your blood lust.
From ESPN:
And I applaud them for that. I don't want some trained soldiers roaming the streets beating the shite out of people with zero repercussions. Their job is to protect and serve, and in THIS case, no one needed protection except maybe Harris himself, so if they can get him help without force, that's what they should do. I hope Harris gets the help he needs.
EDIT: Like others are saying, the cop also could have done a better job trying to de-escalate the situation. The grappling bit wasn't a smart move. I'm just glad they kept their cool, and we didn't see another unnecessary death.
From ESPN:
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"He's going through what we would call his progression of force, and they exercised extreme patience
And I applaud them for that. I don't want some trained soldiers roaming the streets beating the shite out of people with zero repercussions. Their job is to protect and serve, and in THIS case, no one needed protection except maybe Harris himself, so if they can get him help without force, that's what they should do. I hope Harris gets the help he needs.
EDIT: Like others are saying, the cop also could have done a better job trying to de-escalate the situation. The grappling bit wasn't a smart move. I'm just glad they kept their cool, and we didn't see another unnecessary death.
This post was edited on 2/14/20 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 2/14/20 at 7:49 pm to BranTheHuman2
Lucky for Harris there were three and not one cop or two. Otherwise he might not be doing time above ground.
Posted on 2/15/20 at 5:54 am to BranTheHuman2
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This is some boot licking, authority loving, boomer shite if I ever saw it. Jesus. Their job is to protect and serve, not satisfy your blood lust.
LOL OK.
This post was edited on 2/15/20 at 5:56 am
Posted on 2/18/20 at 5:52 pm to LanierSpots
Jhead, the rivals insider, reported it a couple days ago, but Jonathon Wallace officially becomes RB coach and ST coordinator at Kansas.
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