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Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:32 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:32 am
Because this team is an abortion.
Might as well post my thoughts since everyone else has.
First, I'd like to hear the poster's source on a divided locker room and race issues. Like others have said, bullshite. Not sure if you're a troll or just want attention. Either way, you're sad.
Issue is plain and simple: JJ. And Gus/play calling gets a bit of that too.
Stop blaming the defense, saying it's worse under Muschamp, etc. Yes, I saw the piss poor effort of Ford (pretty sure that's who it was) where he just gave up on tackling Fournette.
Ask yourself this. If you were a defensive football player and saw JJ's play, the turnovers, the stalled offensive drives, would you put max effort forward? No. Would you do it on the road in s hostile environment, when it feels like 115 degrees? Hell no.
And the fact we were playing against a probable Heisman winner who continues to draw comparisons to Herschel Walker.
The offense has playmakers. Look at our receivers. Barber and Louis always give it their all. Thomas showed up to play and K. Johnson NEVER gave up yesterday. Ray is also a leader. Sure he dropped what would have been a first down in the Louisville game, but he's steady.
At this point I have no idea if Gus will truly re-evaluate all the positions. I don't presume to know what's best for the football team.
I will say this: I have never seen or heard him as pissed as he was at halftime yesterday. He said, "our passing game is god awful" and you could hear it in his voice. There was no, "yeah, we just have to do a better job protecting the ball" or "yeah we just have to put Jeremy in a better position."
What the team needs is for key defensive players to get healthy, the O line to gel, and a QB that can at least sustain drives and put the defense in a better spot.
With that said there is still hope. If we can get through MS State next weekend, we have San Jose, then we're off, then we have Kentucky, and then Arkansas. I'm not saying KY and Arkansas are definite wins, but if we have to put someone else in at QB at least we have easier games before Ole Miss, A&M, UGA, and Bama. The hope then is the team gets healthy (we get Lawson back) and the O line gels so we at least have a shot. At this point, I don't see us winning any of those four games without some changes.
Now a couple of questions about yesterday:
Jovon only got a few carries. Did he just not have the "hot hand"?
How is Cowart looking?I know he got some snaps, but couldn't tell how he was doing
TL;DR/Wall of Text version: frick you. Either you read it or didn't.
Might as well post my thoughts since everyone else has.
First, I'd like to hear the poster's source on a divided locker room and race issues. Like others have said, bullshite. Not sure if you're a troll or just want attention. Either way, you're sad.
Issue is plain and simple: JJ. And Gus/play calling gets a bit of that too.
Stop blaming the defense, saying it's worse under Muschamp, etc. Yes, I saw the piss poor effort of Ford (pretty sure that's who it was) where he just gave up on tackling Fournette.
Ask yourself this. If you were a defensive football player and saw JJ's play, the turnovers, the stalled offensive drives, would you put max effort forward? No. Would you do it on the road in s hostile environment, when it feels like 115 degrees? Hell no.
And the fact we were playing against a probable Heisman winner who continues to draw comparisons to Herschel Walker.
The offense has playmakers. Look at our receivers. Barber and Louis always give it their all. Thomas showed up to play and K. Johnson NEVER gave up yesterday. Ray is also a leader. Sure he dropped what would have been a first down in the Louisville game, but he's steady.
At this point I have no idea if Gus will truly re-evaluate all the positions. I don't presume to know what's best for the football team.
I will say this: I have never seen or heard him as pissed as he was at halftime yesterday. He said, "our passing game is god awful" and you could hear it in his voice. There was no, "yeah, we just have to do a better job protecting the ball" or "yeah we just have to put Jeremy in a better position."
What the team needs is for key defensive players to get healthy, the O line to gel, and a QB that can at least sustain drives and put the defense in a better spot.
With that said there is still hope. If we can get through MS State next weekend, we have San Jose, then we're off, then we have Kentucky, and then Arkansas. I'm not saying KY and Arkansas are definite wins, but if we have to put someone else in at QB at least we have easier games before Ole Miss, A&M, UGA, and Bama. The hope then is the team gets healthy (we get Lawson back) and the O line gels so we at least have a shot. At this point, I don't see us winning any of those four games without some changes.
Now a couple of questions about yesterday:
Jovon only got a few carries. Did he just not have the "hot hand"?
How is Cowart looking?I know he got some snaps, but couldn't tell how he was doing
TL;DR/Wall of Text version: frick you. Either you read it or didn't.
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Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:36 am to atlau
I think JJ being just god awful and Gus's playcalling go hand in hand. Hard to call plays for a god awful QB.
Even Mizzou pulled Matty Mauk yesterday. And he's what a 2nd year starter now? Good coaches put in the players that give them the best chance to win. Either Gus's loyalty to JJ is on another planet or the other options we have at QB are dismal.
Maybe a ride on the bench may motivate JJ to get his head on straight. Offense has ZERO leadership as its hard to be a leader herping and derping it up on the field like JJ is.
In 2013 Mason emerged and Nick stepped up and led this team. Lawson has been gone which IMO his leadership as well as his talent has been missed. Someone has to step up.....and its up to the coaches to fuel that fire.
Good Lord Johnathan Wallace wasn't this bad and he was thrown into the fire as a freshman to lead a complete dumpster fire of a team.
Even Mizzou pulled Matty Mauk yesterday. And he's what a 2nd year starter now? Good coaches put in the players that give them the best chance to win. Either Gus's loyalty to JJ is on another planet or the other options we have at QB are dismal.
Maybe a ride on the bench may motivate JJ to get his head on straight. Offense has ZERO leadership as its hard to be a leader herping and derping it up on the field like JJ is.
In 2013 Mason emerged and Nick stepped up and led this team. Lawson has been gone which IMO his leadership as well as his talent has been missed. Someone has to step up.....and its up to the coaches to fuel that fire.
Good Lord Johnathan Wallace wasn't this bad and he was thrown into the fire as a freshman to lead a complete dumpster fire of a team.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 8:40 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:38 am to atlau
Agree with all that, except the defense. They've been shite all year and it's not Muschamp's coaching. Our players just aren't very good on that side of the ball.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:40 am to AUWDE
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Good Lord Johnathan Wallace wasn't this bad and he was thrown into the fire as a freshman to lead a complete dumpster fire of a team.
yes he was. J Wall was terrible....
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:40 am to Smoke7024
The offense is not doing the defense ANY favors. If the offense could stay on the field for more than a 3 and out I think we would see the defense step it up.
And JWal was not the best QB but I sure don't remember him throwing a pass backwards 18 years nor throwing one in the ground at the receiver's feet. He also had not been in the system 2 years like JJ has.
And JWal was not the best QB but I sure don't remember him throwing a pass backwards 18 years nor throwing one in the ground at the receiver's feet. He also had not been in the system 2 years like JJ has.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:42 am to Smoke7024
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except the defense. They've been shite all year and it's not Muschamp's coaching. Our players just aren't very good on that side of the ball.
Agree.
Also, JJ is not who we thought he was. It's hard to have an O when the QB just can't get the job done. He has regressed in the last two years.....not sure why or how.
tMelt is very real!
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 8:43 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:42 am to AUWDE
That's just an excuse. I've seen defenses perform with terrible offenses. This defense is just bad.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:44 am to atlau
We can point fingers, but the reality is Gus is in year 3, makes a ton of cash to recruit and coach football, and our ROI is not there. It all starts with him. Our current recruiting class is a sign that I don't like.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:44 am to AUWDE
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Lawson has been gone which IMO his leadership as well as his talent has been missed. Someone has to step up.....and its up to the coaches to fuel that fire.
That is one thing that actually bothered me yesterday. Why didn't he make the trip with the team? He is the supposed leader of the defense yet he stayed in Auburn during the first big game of the year. even if he had a broken hip, he could have/should have made the trip for support.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:44 am to Smoke7024
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Agree with all that, except the defense. They've been shite all year and it's not Muschamp's coaching. Our players just aren't very good on that side of the ball.
You are right. I am not saying if we score points, our D would be world beaters. However, in the first game they played with urgency and it looked like their fundamentals were improved from previous years.
I said it before in another thread, but who cares they gave up 438 yards to Jax state. Scoring D was still good. Doesn't matter if Jax state scores 20. If AU puts up 60 like we should have no one even bats an eye.
I did notice Muschamp chewing the D out late in the game and when they went back in they appeared to play with some fire. Too little, too late? Maybe, but at least they didn't give up completely.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:45 am to Warfarer
Not 100% sure, but I think you are limited on the amount of people that can travel.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:48 am to AUCE05
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Not 100% sure, but I think you are limited on the amount of people that can travel.
Even if true, you take your leader on the defense with you. There are scrubs that will never see the field that made the trip yesterday, you take your leader whether he is hurt or not. I have seen teams travel with kids with broken legs before.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:48 am to AUCE05
They should have taken Lawson for the sidelines and left JJ at home 
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:48 am to AUCE05
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Not 100% sure, but I think you are limited on the amount of people that can travel.
This. Plus depending on injury he probably doesn't need to be on it at all and being crammed in a seat on a plane could exacerbate it. If it truly is something that could be a matter of days till he gets back/means we get him back for Ms State that's probably why he remained in AU.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:50 am to Warfarer
Look. Lets stop acting like Lawson was the only reason we lost. We have major issues, and it is time we stop making excuses.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:54 am to AUCE05
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Look. Lets stop acting like Lawson was the only reason we lost. We have major issues, and it is time we stop making excuses.
I agree. Look at last season. Without him we should have been 9-4/10-3. Fluke fumble in A&M and missed FG against Wisconsin.
The only game last year that we just looked bad was UGA.
Bama I put on Johnson for not doing something to neutralize Cooper more. Yes a pass rush would have helped, but our secondary continually got burned.
With the offensive play makers we have, we should be scoring more. Period.
This post was edited on 9/20/15 at 8:55 am
Posted on 9/20/15 at 8:56 am to AUCE05
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Look. Lets stop acting like Lawson was the only reason we lost. We have major issues, and it is time we stop making excuses.
not sure if this is directed at me or not. I'm making no excuses at all. I personally think that 90% of our problems stem from poor quarterback play limiting the offense which in turn is killing the morale of the defense. But if you have a defensive leader then you take him with you.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:12 am to atlau
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Ask yourself this. If you were a defensive football player and saw JJ's play, the turnovers, the stalled offensive drives, would you put max effort forward? No. Would you do it on the road in s hostile environment, when it feels like 115 degrees? Hell no.
Uhh yeah.
1. They have been given scholarship to play football at a major college football program.
2. They have the best defensive mind in all of college football as a coordinator.
3. This is their future and if they give minimal effort because of some petty bullshite then the coaches get paid way too much money get them the frick out.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:16 am to AUtigerNOLA
Frost is not a LBer. Cass lacks the killer instinct. We haven't had a LBer that would fill a hole since Bynes. Those two killed us yesterday. Their play allowed LSU to score at least 14-21 points. At some point, you have to cut bait and play the younger guys.
Posted on 9/20/15 at 9:17 am to AUCE05
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At some point, you have to cut bait and play the younger guys.
I agree. They both looked like crap. I was very happy they both came back but they have not gotten any better
Who are the young guys? We are very thin at LB'er aren't we?
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