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Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:26 pm to TigerProwl24
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:26 pm to TigerProwl24
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He is a 5'9 PG. What's next, you going to point out Spencer's lack of 3 pt production?
Ehh, bad correlation. You don't expect to get 3 point production from your center, whereas you should expect your PG to be able to finish layups or at least draw fouls.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:40 pm to AA7
I guess what i was trying to say was, Harper has proven he can finish around the rim and he gets to the foul line quite a bit. To expect our 5'9 PG to finish over Big Men in the paint at a high rate, is like asking Spencer to shoot threes..
There will be a game this year, like UCONN last season, that the opposing team will not provide much help defense, in order to keep our shooters covered and Harper will have to exploit it by getting in to the lane and creating for himself or others. He has proven he can do that.
There will be a game this year, like UCONN last season, that the opposing team will not provide much help defense, in order to keep our shooters covered and Harper will have to exploit it by getting in to the lane and creating for himself or others. He has proven he can do that.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:43 pm to TigerProwl24
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He is a 5'9 PG. What's next, you going to point out Spencer's lack of 3 pt production? Harper is doing just fine and far from a liability in any area.
He's a 5'10 PG Shooting 32.9% 2FG isn't doing just "fine."
Here are some 5'10 PG who have shot 40+% 2FG career
SEC in recent years
-5'10 UGA JJ Frazier 45%
-5'10 OM Stefan Moody 44.5%
-6'0 UF Chris Chiozza 44.8%
-5'9 UK Tyler Ulis 46.2%
-5'9 LSU Anthony Hickey 44.9%
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Harper has proven he can finish around the rim and
He definitely "can" finish and make circus shots. He just doesn't finish consistently.
I think Harper could be a dominant PG in this league if he is more consistent and can hit >40% 2FG. I also see no reason why he can't achieve that
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he gets to the foul line quite a bit.
Most of his FTs are not on driving attempts. For whatever reason refs don't give call whistles he probably deserves
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:48 pm to GenesChin
I'm with you on this one. When he drives, he needs to be looking for a pass much more often. For whatever reason, he isn't getting the foul calls. He is collapsing the defense, so find the open shooter more often. That'll open up some more of his close attempts.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:49 pm to TigerProwl24
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There will be a game this year, like UCONN last season, that the opposing team will not provide much help defense, in order to keep our shooters covered and Harper will have to exploit it by getting in to the lane and creating for himself or others. He has proven he can do that.
I'm saying that Harper can be a lot better than a few games here or there that he exploits defenses.
Just because we don't "need" him to be that good, doesn't mean we shouldn't hold him to that high potential. Harper can be a All SEC guard, it just won't happen shooting 33% inside the arc
Harper has been really good for us, but let's not pretend like he is maxing out his potential right now
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:58 pm to GenesChin
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Here are some 5'10 PG who have shot 40+% 2FG career
SEC in recent years
Ok, give him that extra inch.. but is that the best of the best going back several years? What is the average for 5'10 PGs? I noticed that was for their career. What is Harper's career 2FG%?
But still, you're missing my point. Harper does a lot of things well and to "Harp" on his lack of scoring in the paint, seems a little picky for what he ultimately provides this team.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:06 pm to TigerProwl24
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But still, you're missing my point. Harper does a lot of things well and to "Harp" on his lack of scoring in the paint, seems a little picky for what he ultimately provides this team.
I think you're just missing Gene's point
. He isn't arguing Harper isn't good or anything. However, if we want to compete, he can and needs to be better. This isn't asking him to change his game, all Gene is saying is for him to be smarter when he drives the ball. He doesn't have to always try and draw a foul with a circus shot. 
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:12 pm to GenesChin
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For whatever reason refs don't give call whistles he probably deserves
I honestly think he doesn't get calls because of his reputation for selling calls. A lot of these refs have egos and don't want players helping them make the foul calls so they decide not to blow their whistle. Dumb, but that's what I think is in play here.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:13 pm to TigerProwl24
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But still, you're missing my point. Harper does a lot of things well and to "Harp" on his lack of scoring in the paint, seems a little picky for what he ultimately provides this team.
Do you want to reread the whole post? LINK
I said
-Harper is a huge reason we are successful
-Harper is incredible for what we do right now
Somehow you are trying to "harp" on my disagreement that Harper is dominant in all faucets of the game, which I wasn't wrong on unless you suggest 32.9% 2FG dominant
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Ok, give him that extra inch.
He is listed at 5'10
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What is the average for 5'10 PGs?
Why does this matter? You don't get bonus points for being short and clearly 5'10 PGs can shoot 40+% 2FG. In a couple years, we are going to rely on Harper a lot more than we do now and we need him to take that step
Heck, even this year when we are cold shooting we could use Harper to step up. That is unless you trust Bryce Brown driving to the rim right now
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What is Harper's career 2FG%?
39.7% 2FG career, so he both clearly can do better and has taken a big step back this year.
Of those guys, they maybe combine for 1-2 seasons sub 40% 2FG but I don' have it up right now
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:14 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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I think you're just missing Gene's point
I get it.. you know GC is going to hit me with them numbers. I just remember when we were bad and we're 18-2. I just want to enjoy these days and not harp on negatives honestly.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:16 pm to TigerProwl24
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I just remember when we were bad and we're 18-2. I just want to enjoy these days and not harp on negatives honestly.
Stop thinking about it as negatives and start thinking about it as untapped potential.
We are 18-2 good right now
We could be 38-2 good
Posted on 1/25/18 at 2:31 pm to GenesChin
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