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Posted on 11/8/20 at 7:34 am to LanierSpots
Posted on 11/8/20 at 7:34 am to LanierSpots
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I honestly believe this is the part that makes Auburn who they are they so many of you forget.
Yesterday, Mullen just out-coached Georgia on the offensive side. The way he used their RBs in the receiving game put Georgia back on its heels big time. Don’t know the numbers but pretty sure Florida has recruited similar to us the last few years. We just did not have a good game plan against Georgia.
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Posted on 11/8/20 at 9:16 am to ridlejs
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Yesterday, Mullen just out-coached Georgia on the offensive side. The way he used their RBs in the receiving game put Georgia back on its heels big time. Don’t know the numbers but pretty sure Florida has recruited similar to us the last few years. We just did not have a good game plan against Georgia.
No, I agree with you. I think UGA was playing a little better when we played them than they have the last few weeks. Some of that due to injury and some momentum but no doubt, Our plan against UGA was shite
I was amazed at how may wheel routs UF ran and that UGA just could not cover them.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 9:20 am to MrAUTigers
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not really. Gus doesn't get every player he goes after. I am sure he would give his left nut to have the receivers UF has.
What a load of crap. I'm sure that Mullen would be doing backflips if he had Seth Williams and Schwartz on his roster - both players will be drafted within the first 3-4 rounds and will be NFL players. Both guys present elite qualities (Seth with his size/athleticism and Schwartz with his speed). And the buck doesn't stop with just those two. Florida is not in any way, shape, or form, loaded with 5-star "unattainable" receiving talent. Their most productive wideout (Toney) was a lowly 3-star ATH/QB from Alabama. The RB that posted 100-yards receiving yesterday was a 3-star, and the other back was a 4-star ranked outside the Top 250. Their TE Pitts was in fact an elite recruit, but to get those kinds of players at that position you kinda gotta utilize the position - which we don't.
Mullen is significantly more advanced than Malzahn in terms of utilizing schemes to put his players in the right position, period. I'm flabbergasted that we're 8-years into seeing the same thing on a yearly basis and we still have people using this "lack of talent" narrative. Do you want a perfect example? Look at CJ Uzomah: the guy is a legitimate NFL TE with elite measurables. He was drafted in the 5th round on the basis of 29 CAREER receptions at Auburn. He never had more than 11 receptions in a single season in college. I'm sure you can do basic math, but thats less than 1 reception a game. How do you have an NFL talent at TE and you can't get him the ball more than once per game? So in fact Malzahn HAD his own equivalent to the Pitts kid that Florida has; he just didn't know how to utilize him properly. Just like he didn't know to to fully utilize Darius Slayton who is playing like a top receiver in the NFL. The entire time Slayton was here he was clowned by people like you for "not being as talented as those STARS that Bama and LSU has" with the same sob-story about how we just don't have talent. You kind of need to know how to utilize talent, brosef. I bet you I can dig up a dozen posts of people saying "Slayton is just okay, but he's wouldn't be starting on Bama or LSU" LMAO.
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 9:31 am
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:04 am to metafour
Great post!
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:21 am to metafour
all of that shite about receivers and not a damn thing about their QB. 
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:33 am to MrAUTigers
What I like about Marlins his he finds one thing you can't defend, and stays with it until you adjust. Simple, but tries not to over think.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:33 am to jvilletiger25
Lanier,
I saw Tebow give a great analysis of that. He said the safeties doubling up on Pitts forced the linebackers up to guard the run and he kept throwing wheel routes. They would back up to cover the middle zone, he would throw underneath in those deadly 10 yard crossing routes, then pop one long to keep the linebackers back defending the middle zone....and go back to the wheel routes.
If you guys noticed in the 3rd/4th quarter part of that sloppiness in their passing game was because Pitts was out and the safeties were free to creep up and cut off those short passes.
Agree Lanier, great chess match of coaching, and Mullen was definitely winning soundly. The old days of Borges when he would make an adjustment, plan on the opposing team to adjust, and adjust to that adjustment for a wide open TD.
I saw Tebow give a great analysis of that. He said the safeties doubling up on Pitts forced the linebackers up to guard the run and he kept throwing wheel routes. They would back up to cover the middle zone, he would throw underneath in those deadly 10 yard crossing routes, then pop one long to keep the linebackers back defending the middle zone....and go back to the wheel routes.
If you guys noticed in the 3rd/4th quarter part of that sloppiness in their passing game was because Pitts was out and the safeties were free to creep up and cut off those short passes.
Agree Lanier, great chess match of coaching, and Mullen was definitely winning soundly. The old days of Borges when he would make an adjustment, plan on the opposing team to adjust, and adjust to that adjustment for a wide open TD.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:45 am to LanierSpots
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I was amazed at how may wheel routs UF ran and that UGA just could not cover them.
Same here. It definitely made their linebackers look human.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:48 am to LanierSpots
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I honestly believe this is the part that makes Auburn who they are they so many of you forget. We win very few recruiting battles against UGA, Bama and LSU. And that has always been that way and for the most part, it always will be.
Someone posted on the SEC board that UGA has 16 five stars and Bama has 12 (kudos on the post BTW). LSU has probably half a dozen. I think AU has 2, maybe 3, and I would speculate that aTm, UT, and UF are at our level. Its absurd the amount of cheating UGA has done over the Smart era, but it is what it is. What am I going to do about it?
I know who we are, so its hard to get too upset with what I see on the field. These guys play really hard for Gus and his staff, and Gus will win 65%-70% of his games and he'll have that "magical" season and win a championship every 5 years on average.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 10:53 am to alpinetiger
Recruiting matters. I am not down playing it. However, the difference
between high 4* and 5* players is debatable. I watched Trey Sanders live in HS and thought he would win a Heisman. But at this point, Tank is a freshman and ahead of Trey. You have to develop and utilize your talent. Kirby is terrible at that.
between high 4* and 5* players is debatable. I watched Trey Sanders live in HS and thought he would win a Heisman. But at this point, Tank is a freshman and ahead of Trey. You have to develop and utilize your talent. Kirby is terrible at that.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 11:01 am to AUCE05
quote:Agree, but given a large enough sample size if you recruit better "stars" you win more, particularly those with 12-16 five stars. Tank is just one of those athletes that can elevate an entire team IMO.
Recruiting matters. I am not down playing it. However, the difference
between high 4* and 5* players is debatable. I watched Trey Sanders live in HS and thought he would win a Heisman. But at this point, Tank is a freshman and ahead of Trey. You have to develop and utilize your talent. Kirby is terrible at that.
I think AU has things rolling and 2021 could be one of those "magical" years where the stars align. I also think we'll be salty down the stretch of 2020.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 11:59 am to AUCE05
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I watched Trey Sanders live in HS and thought he would win a Heisman. But at this point, Tank is a freshman and ahead of Trey. You have to develop and utilize your talent. Kirby is terrible at that.
I get that but have we/Gus really "developed" Tank? Not really. Dude is just good and that is easy to see. Look at the backs that Georgia and Alabama has had over the past 10 years. They both have had two or three "Tanks" on the roster at one time for 10 years.
I was once told by a high school coach. "No jackass has ever won the Kentucky Derby". You can develop players, you can get the most out of them but in the end, talent matters
Posted on 11/8/20 at 2:49 pm to metafour
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What a load of crap. I'm sure that Mullen would be doing backflips if he had Seth Williams and Schwartz on his roster - both players will be drafted within the first 3-4 rounds and will be NFL players. Both guys present elite qualities (Seth with his size/athleticism and Schwartz with his speed). And the buck doesn't stop with just those two. Florida is not in any way, shape, or form, loaded with 5-star "unattainable" receiving talent. Their most productive wideout (Toney) was a lowly 3-star ATH/QB from Alabama. The RB that posted 100-yards receiving yesterday was a 3-star, and the other back was a 4-star ranked outside the Top 250. Their TE Pitts was in fact an elite recruit, but to get those kinds of players at that position you kinda gotta utilize the position - which we don't.
Mullen is significantly more advanced than Malzahn in terms of utilizing schemes to put his players in the right position, period. I'm flabbergasted that we're 8-years into seeing the same thing on a yearly basis and we still have people using this "lack of talent" narrative. Do you want a perfect example? Look at CJ Uzomah: the guy is a legitimate NFL TE with elite measurables. He was drafted in the 5th round on the basis of 29 CAREER receptions at Auburn. He never had more than 11 receptions in a single season in college. I'm sure you can do basic math, but thats less than 1 reception a game. How do you have an NFL talent at TE and you can't get him the ball more than once per game? So in fact Malzahn HAD his own equivalent to the Pitts kid that Florida has; he just didn't know how to utilize him properly. Just like he didn't know to to fully utilize Darius Slayton who is playing like a top receiver in the NFL. The entire time Slayton was here he was clowned by people like you for "not being as talented as those STARS that Bama and LSU has" with the same sob-story about how we just don't have talent. You kind of need to know how to utilize talent, brosef. I bet you I can dig up a dozen posts of people saying "Slayton is just okay, but he's wouldn't be starting on Bama or LSU" LMAO.
Not sure you could argue any of this.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 3:23 pm to LanierSpots
quote:Yes you could. It sounds just like our roster but different names and coaches. Do we have to do this every year?
Not sure you could argue any of this.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 4:33 pm to alpinetiger
Auburn Top 5 Receivers
Seth Williams
#185 Composite 247 4* (#35 WR)
Anthony Schwartz
#163 Composite 4* (#30 WR)
Eli Stove
#124 Composite 4* (#20 WR)
Tank Bigsby
#40 Composite 4* (#4 RB)
Ze'Vian Capers
#132 Composite 4* (#24 WR)
Florida Top 5 Receivers
Kyle Pitts
#162 Composite 247 4* (#5 TE)
Kadarius Toney
#421 Composite 247 3* (#25 ATH)
Malik Davis
#436 Composite 247 3* (#26 RB)
Trevon Grimes
#41 Composite 247 4* (#6 WR)
Nay'Quan Wright
#261 Composite 247 4* (#16 RB)
Woowowwooow look at all those 5-stars at Florida! fricking three of their top five receivers this season are RB/TE LMAO. Tank Bigsby has shown this year that he can absolutely catch the ball - why didn't we use HIM to abuse Georgia in the passing game like Mullen used Davis/Wright? It didn't happen because Malzahn doesn't have that level of schematic creativity to CHANGE his offense in order to expose potential weaknesses depending on who he's playing. Mullen obviously found a weakness in Georgia's defense and abused it. Malzahn runs the same game plan regardless of who he's playing - when has he ever done done anything incredibly creative in the passing game to create mismatches? Let me point out to you all that we have one of the fastest human beings on the planet and he averages a whopping 11.1 yards per reception. An actual offensive "mind" would be licking their chops to create space for a player like Schwartz to catch the ball in stride with space around him. Instead of opening up the playbook with him, we use him on two/three repetitive plays that everyone has seen a million times already and can sniff out on formation alone. We've seen the past 2-3 games that Schwartz CAN do other things than just sprint straight down the field and jet-sweep, so why haven't they been doing that this entire time with him? Its because in Malzahn's offense everyone has a "role" and once you become the "speed receiver" your job is to basically have the ball thrown over your head 5 times a game on plays that every DC in the country can see coming.
Seth Williams
#185 Composite 247 4* (#35 WR)
Anthony Schwartz
#163 Composite 4* (#30 WR)
Eli Stove
#124 Composite 4* (#20 WR)
Tank Bigsby
#40 Composite 4* (#4 RB)
Ze'Vian Capers
#132 Composite 4* (#24 WR)
Florida Top 5 Receivers
Kyle Pitts
#162 Composite 247 4* (#5 TE)
Kadarius Toney
#421 Composite 247 3* (#25 ATH)
Malik Davis
#436 Composite 247 3* (#26 RB)
Trevon Grimes
#41 Composite 247 4* (#6 WR)
Nay'Quan Wright
#261 Composite 247 4* (#16 RB)
Woowowwooow look at all those 5-stars at Florida! fricking three of their top five receivers this season are RB/TE LMAO. Tank Bigsby has shown this year that he can absolutely catch the ball - why didn't we use HIM to abuse Georgia in the passing game like Mullen used Davis/Wright? It didn't happen because Malzahn doesn't have that level of schematic creativity to CHANGE his offense in order to expose potential weaknesses depending on who he's playing. Mullen obviously found a weakness in Georgia's defense and abused it. Malzahn runs the same game plan regardless of who he's playing - when has he ever done done anything incredibly creative in the passing game to create mismatches? Let me point out to you all that we have one of the fastest human beings on the planet and he averages a whopping 11.1 yards per reception. An actual offensive "mind" would be licking their chops to create space for a player like Schwartz to catch the ball in stride with space around him. Instead of opening up the playbook with him, we use him on two/three repetitive plays that everyone has seen a million times already and can sniff out on formation alone. We've seen the past 2-3 games that Schwartz CAN do other things than just sprint straight down the field and jet-sweep, so why haven't they been doing that this entire time with him? Its because in Malzahn's offense everyone has a "role" and once you become the "speed receiver" your job is to basically have the ball thrown over your head 5 times a game on plays that every DC in the country can see coming.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 4:51 pm to metafour
I thought Tank was used in the passing game quite well against Georgia.
As an aside: Florida wanted Stove and Schartz. We made some effort with Toney.
I like Merlin as a play caller. He nearly called a perfect game against LSU last year.
As an aside: Florida wanted Stove and Schartz. We made some effort with Toney.
I like Merlin as a play caller. He nearly called a perfect game against LSU last year.
Posted on 11/8/20 at 6:17 pm to LanierSpots
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I was once told by a high school coach. "No jackass has ever won the Kentucky Derby". You can develop players, you can get the most out of them but in the end, talent matters
Andy Russell, the linebacker with the Steelers said Noll had been coach for about a week when he called the team in. He said "Ive been watching a lot of film. The problem is not your work ethic or mental effort....you just arent that good and Im going to have to get rid of many of your. Russell said "four years later we were in the Super Bowl.....well the five of us left from that first meeting".
Posted on 11/8/20 at 8:29 pm to metafour
metafour throwing haymakers in this thread 
Posted on 11/9/20 at 11:03 am to trinidadtiger
quote:I've been in corporate meetings where I wished the boss would say something like that
Andy Russell, the linebacker with the Steelers said Noll had been coach for about a week when he called the team in. He said "Ive been watching a lot of film. The problem is not your work ethic or mental effort....you just arent that good and Im going to have to get rid of many of you
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