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Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
85873 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:24 am to
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Not sure how you are trying to compare a top 15 program of all time to a program that historically has a losing record



Leach is a good coach and I think he is hilarious

But does anyone see Leach winning the SEC or the CFP at Auburn? No, you don't.

So we should move on.

ETA saw your subsequent posts so I think we agree
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 10:25 am
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
14149 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:31 am to
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Before saying Muschamp is a good or bad hire for AU we would have to know who the other choices were. I'd be stoked with Coach Boom over someone like Bill Clark.





Yep, Muschamp has been a huge success at every HC job he's held. Let's get that guy!
Posted by Blueline379
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2016
1277 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:45 am to
Pull the trigger on a young up and coming coach with no ties to Auburn and call it a day. Call him ryan day or jeff frohm, dude from north Texas, bill Clark etc. NO KIFFIN!
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38764 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 11:58 am to
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Yeah I'm basically hoping the guy loves Auburn enough to help everyone out of this mess


Posted by Rhino5
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2014
30790 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:04 pm to
Yeah it's far fetched, but the only way we get out of the buyout is if he takes another job.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53601 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:22 pm to
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Yeah it's far fetched, but the only way we get out of the buyout is if he takes another job.


Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17416 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:42 pm to
Don't know about taking another job, but to get the buyout way down, they will just have to make his life miserable. Tell him straight up that you don't want him and offer him a $10MM buyout. If he says no, tell him he can stay and that you will be implementing QC person to oversee every part of the football team on a permanent basis. Tell him you will be firing some coaches and hiring new ones. He will not be allowed to hire or fire anyone on the staff. It can get ugly without the threat of litigation.
Posted by wareaglepete
Lumon Industries
Member since Dec 2012
17416 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:45 pm to
As far as after Gus, I really think it will go like this and it is not far fetched at all.

Gus gone. Rodney Garner given a chance and promoted to HC. Keep Steele and his guys in place and bring back Coach Rocker to coach DL. On offense, all coaches go and they will bring in Pat Nix to be the OC.

Sounds crazy, but this is Auburn and deep down you know this could happen.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
53601 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 12:52 pm to
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Don't know about taking another job, but to get the buyout way down, they will just have to make his life miserable. Tell him straight up that you don't want him and offer him a $10MM buyout. If he says no, tell him he can stay and that you will be implementing QC person to oversee every part of the football team on a permanent basis. Tell him you will be firing some coaches and hiring new ones. He will not be allowed to hire or fire anyone on the staff. It can get ugly without the threat of litigation.




Well this would be stupid and I hope is not even an option.

The morons at the helm gave Gus this contract. They should honor it unless there are valid reasons not to.
Posted by scuppernong
Member since Jan 2013
569 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:20 pm to
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As far as after Gus, I really think it will go like this and it is not far fetched at all. Gus gone. Rodney Garner given a chance and promoted to HC. Keep Steele and his guys in place and bring back Coach Rocker to coach DL. On offense, all coaches go and they will bring in Pat Nix to be the OC. Sounds crazy, but this is Auburn and deep down you know this could happen.


Gotta have a spot for Kodi Burns too!
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37815 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:23 pm to
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Gotta have a spot for Kodi Burns too!



I mean, we are recruiing top WRs for a Gus offense plus they play well with no reps



I will have no problem w someone keeping Burns on their staff

Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37815 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:25 pm to
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but to get the buyout way down, they will just have to make his life miserable.



I've mentioned this multiple times. If Auburn is serious about not paying, they don't have to pay a dime. Texas Tech still has never paid Mike Leach his buyout



If AU is willing to go a mega ahole route, Gus will negotiate his buyout rather than risk all of it
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted by AubieG
Nawf GA
Member since Aug 2013
1180 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:31 pm to
Interested in Mel Tucker. Would he bring dell home as OC?
Posted by toothNclaw
Bi-Polar Barner
Member since Dec 2014
164 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 1:45 pm to
FOR YOUR EYES ONLY: AN INSIDE LOOK AT AUBURN ATHLETICS

What is Auburn coach Gus Malzahn’s mindset going into the final five games of the 2018 season? Maybe not what some would expect.

We are told Malzahn doesn’t acknowledge there is anything to discuss about his job status. He still believes he has a team that can finish with a flourish. We are also told he has had no discussions about his future with athletics director Allen Greene or any other administrator.

What does that mean? Probably not much, other than Malzahn is doing what he should do and focusing on his team and the task at hand.

***

Malzahn has lost the support – if ever had it - of a significant number of people of influence. They want him gone, and nothing he does on the field down the stretch will change that. It’s safe to say Auburn president Steven Leath knows their feelings.

But it’s Leath that is the wild card. Trustees and others can tell him how they feel, but only Leath or Greene, with Leath’s blessing, can make a decision to change coaches. In the end, it will be Leath’s call. No one to whom we have talked knows what he’s thinking or if he is leaning one way or the other. No decision he makes will make him look good. If he makes a change, he will be accused of costing Auburn’s athletics department possibly tens of millions of dollars. If he doesn’t, he will be accused of giving Malzahn a contract that made it impossible to fire him.

Should Malzahn and Auburn lose at Ole Miss on Saturday, the heat will get unbearable. Enough to bring about an early decision to make a change? Some believe that’s possible.

***

There is no sign that Malzahn has to win a specific number of games. Those who want him gone won’t be satisfied by any number. Those who don’t want him gone are looking for anything they can grasp to vindicate their position. Winning games is their best chance.

A win over Ole Miss, with an open date before Texas A&M comes to town, would likely give Malzahn some breathing space. If Ole Miss wins, all bets are off and next week will be very interesting.

***

If ever there was a game in which Auburn’s offense should get some relief, it is Saturday’s game in Oxford. Ole Miss’ defense is, statistically, among the very worst in college football.

Ole Miss ranks 108th in scoring defense, and lower in every other defensive statistic. In the two statistics that matter most, it is 108th in scoring defense and 121st in total defense. It is 112th in rushing defense and 119th in pass defense.

On the other hand, the Rebels are No. 16 in scoring offense with 41.6 points per game. They are No. 4 in passing offense with 353.1 yards per game and No. 6 in total offense with 550.9 yards per game.

***

Malzahn has been even more involved than usual with the offense in preparation for Ole Miss. Will there be a change in the operation on gameday? Will it be noticeable? We don’t have that answer.

***

Auburn coaches are wary of Ole Miss and its offense. They recognize that Ole Miss’ defense is vulnerable, but they also realize their offense has not been prolific against anyone. A shootout would not be a comfortable place for Auburn to be.

Ole Miss coaches recognize that they need to play better than they have in three previous SEC games – a victory over Arkansas and losses to Alabama and LSU.

“I think the focus is always going 1-0 this week, trying to find a way to get one more point than Auburn, trying to find a way to get stops and to score touchdowns in the red zone and be sharp,” Ole Miss coach Matt Luke said. “We'll have to play really well. We've got to find a way to get off the field, create some turnovers and then try to finish in the red zone, and score touchdowns when we get down there, not field goals."
Posted by N97883
New Dehli Forsyth GA
Member since Nov 2013
8490 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 2:13 pm to
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We are told Malzahn doesn’t acknowledge there is anything to discuss about his job status. He still believes he has a team that can finish with a flourish


I buy that.

And with that... Ole Miss wins this weekend.

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They want him gone, and nothing he does on the field down the stretch will change that. 


If he beats Alabama on the road with their offense scoring 60 a game, I gotta believe he keeps his job.

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Those who don’t want him gone are looking for anything they can grasp to vindicate their position. Winning games is their best chance.


Unicorns do exist I guess. Tell that little girl Gru adopted to go to Auburn.

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Malzahn has been even more involved than usual with the offense in preparation for Ole Miss.


Take Ole Miss.

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Ole Miss coach Matt Luke said. “We'll have to play really well. We've got to find a way to get off the field, create some turnovers 


Put your goalline defense in on first down, be ready for a pass behind the line on second and then blitz on 3rd. The key is dont over think it, that will work everytime.
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37815 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 2:25 pm to
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Trustees and others can tell him how they feel, but only Leath or Greene, with Leath’s blessing, can make a decision to change coaches.



Well this is a crock of shite the BoT are spinning to avoid any blame by pinning their responsibility on Leath


I'm sure Leath deserves a lot of blame, but so do the BoT


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If he makes a change, he will be accused of costing Auburn’s athletics department possibly tens of millions of dollars.


No president/AD would ever cut loose a coach against the advisory of tBoard of Trustees


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he will be accused of giving Malzahn a contract that made it impossible to fire him.


Who signs off / approves that contract? The Board of Trustees





This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 2:26 pm
Posted by AUveritas
Member since Aug 2013
3576 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 4:21 pm to
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I've mentioned this multiple times. If Auburn is serious about not paying, they don't have to pay a dime. Texas Tech still has never paid Mike Leach his buyout 


What kind of long term ramifications would this move cause though? We'd essentially be telling any possible hire that contracts don't mean crap at Auburn.
Posted by blzr
Saratoga
Member since Mar 2011
30744 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 4:28 pm to
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mentioned this multiple times. If Auburn is serious about not paying, they don't have to pay a dime. Texas Tech still has never paid Mike Leach his buyout If AU is willing to go a mega ahole route, Gus will negotiate his buyout rather than risk all of it


Is the Texas law that Ttech is using same as Alabama? Maybe Gus would need to lock a kid in a shed, I have a hard time believing we just couldn’t pay the buyout
Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37815 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 4:30 pm to
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What kind of long term ramifications would this move cause though?


If we straight up pulled sovereign immunity and paid nothing? Very, Very bad ramifications. Would turn this from a sports story to a political scandal of government not honoring contracts

AU would still win its court case, but it would be an obvious lightening rod for political opining

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We'd essentially be telling any possible hire that contracts don't mean crap at Auburn.



Not really. AU could start doing what the NFL does and put guaranteed $ into a trust which would elminate any concern by coaches


Realistically though, it would be in both Gus + AU's best interest to get a negotiated settlement / clean break where "Gus leaves on his own terms / mutual parting of ways"








Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37815 posts
Posted on 10/19/18 at 4:33 pm to
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Is the Texas law that Ttech is using same as Alabama?


Yes. Pretty much every state has it in the state constitution

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Maybe Gus would need to lock a kid in a shed,


Not really

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I have a hard time believing we just couldn’t pay the buyout


Well, here is what the Alabama supreme court recently ruled

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The Supreme Court wrote that the immunity granted under § 14 is absolute; it is not an affirmative defense, but a jurisdictional bar. It may not be waived. A claim filed solely against the state or any state agency is void from the beginning, and any action taken by a court against the state agency, other than dismissal, is void.
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