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Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:18 am to Broadside Bob
Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:18 am to Broadside Bob
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Always liked Gus (still do), but I think we confused someone who did something innovative with an innovator. Something about a blind squirrel and a nut.
Well put.
Yes the HUNH and his spin on the wing T that became his version of the spread option was extremely innovative, and with the right personnel was nigh unstoppable, but he is also rigid as hell and refuses to adapt to the times or his personnel beyond “if I’ve got a passing QB, RPO heavy.”
You still see flashes of brilliance from time to time but you can always count on him to regress to the mean.
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Posted on 12/23/23 at 8:50 am to WarCamEagle88
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Oh well, good riddance to bad rubbish. I wish him well, but it’s games like this that make me grateful we shitcanned him when we did.
I know. Those comeback loses are tough.
Getting blown out by a NM State is nothing compared to a 12 point comeback.. don't forget the amazing coaching job we got to see at the end of the IB. Yeah, screw GUs!!! Stupid coach!
Yep, thank goodness!
Just pointing out how much feeeeeelings change around here. Im not knightinh for Gus either. Lol
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 8:53 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:03 am to BranTheHuman2
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I wish we had done it sooner. I was asking for it in 2015. But certain groups liked to think that he was the best we could possibly get.
With hindsight, I agree about wishing we had fired him sooner. However, at the time I was willing to give him time to get back to the coach he was when we first hired him. Given what he did with Cam and Nick Marshall, I was willing to give him some latitude to work his system. I had hope he could do it again, if only he could get the right guys to play for him.
The fact that he was competing against the Gumps and thUGA on the field and in recruiting every year gave him a bit more of a leash with me. But Gus’ last 2 years of coaching ruined my perception and patience with him. And he’s clearly still the same mediocre coach he has been for the last decade or so.
As far as him being the best coach we could get at that time, I still think that’s true. I think the fact that Harsin was his replacement (who is clearly a worse recruiter, and probably a worse on-field coach) proves that out. However, I may be forgetting what coaches we could’ve hired back in 2015 that have since shown to be great.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 9:12 am to i am dan
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I know. Those comeback loses are tough. Getting blown out by a NM State is nothing compared to a 12 point comeback.. don't forget the amazing coaching job we got to see at the end of the IB. Yeah, screw GUs!!! Stupid coach!
You’re right in some ways. Freeze isn’t a world-beater. He’s certainly flawed. But we gave Gus plenty of time to right the ship, but instead he grounded it on a sandbar and got fired for it.
It may be a similar mistake I made with Gus, but I’m willing to give Freeze the benefit of the doubt and give him time to do his thing here. Let him get his team built up after the cabinets were left bare by Harsin. Let him work out the kinks and see what the results on the field will be in the next few years. Time will tell, but at least recruiting is vastly improved, and we played competitively against our main rivals this year. I’m still optimistic with Freeze behind the wheel. But that could certainly change.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 10:05 am to i am dan
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I know. Those comeback loses are tough. Getting blown out by a NM State is nothing compared to a 12 point comeback.. don't forget the amazing coaching job we got to see at the end of the IB. Yeah, screw GUs!!! Stupid coach! Yep, thank goodness! Just pointing out how much feeeeeelings change around here. Im not knightinh for Gus either. Lol This post was edited on 12/23 at 8:53 am
Your post is flawed on many levels. Freeze inherited a shitshow and his expectations were 6-6 this year. He doesnt have a damned thing to do with Gus. Gus gets worse with each contract.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:15 am to jangalang
3-7 career record in Bowl games now lulz.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 11:46 am to i am dan
LOL. They are on a recruiting high right now. Let them have fun.
They have forgotten that our new coach had two of the worse losses in our recent history in his first year. And both of them were on him.
And like Gus, it is not his first time.
Gus bus started out strong last night then slung a rod and got 4 flat tires. It has been a wild year for him and Auburn.
Hopefully both will do better next year.
They have forgotten that our new coach had two of the worse losses in our recent history in his first year. And both of them were on him.
And like Gus, it is not his first time. Gus bus started out strong last night then slung a rod and got 4 flat tires. It has been a wild year for him and Auburn.
Hopefully both will do better next year.
This post was edited on 12/23/23 at 11:47 am
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:13 pm to jangalang
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Your post is flawed on many levels. Freeze inherited a shitshow and his expectations were 6-6 this year. He doesnt have a damned thing to do with Gus. Gus gets worse with each contract.
I don't know.. 2 major occurances happened this year that were WTF Gus like moments. Not saying Freeze is Gus. Don't get me wrong.
But the loss to NM St and the way the Iron Bowl finished should've never happened. Those WTF moments don't need to happen. We weren't even competitive against NM St. I knew in the first qtr we were going to lose that game. You could tell.
Coaches that allow that crap to happen fall a rung or two in my eyes.
I'm a Freeze fan. He's the coach I wanted. I'm just not blowing sunshine up his arse quite yet.
This recruiting class is great.. We were competitive against very good teams.
But a coach can't allow us to get rolled by a NM St. Plain and simple. Can't have games like that.
With all that said, I don't think I've been more excited about AU football going forward. I can see us becoming very good soon.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:31 pm to i am dan
shite things happened in Hugh's first year with garbage talent. Judge him by the years when our cupboard is full. That is how I judged Gus. Ahem 2014,2019, 2017, etc.
I am not holding the Iron Bowl against him when nobody even expected to be in that situation.
I am not holding the Iron Bowl against him when nobody even expected to be in that situation.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 12:48 pm to jangalang
I wish Gus the best. He’s a good coach and even better person but don’t understand what the infatuation with him now is. Maybe 2% wanted to keep Gus when he was let go. Not even sure we even have a Gus commit on the roster. Maybe Deal and Stutts? He has no impact on Auburn.
The highs were amazing and will never be forgotten under his time here. I thank him for those. Other then that Gus coaches somewhere else after we fired him.
The highs were amazing and will never be forgotten under his time here. I thank him for those. Other then that Gus coaches somewhere else after we fired him.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:19 pm to CorchJay
Was it Gus or Nick that made 2013 happen?
Posted on 12/23/23 at 1:47 pm to N97883
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Was it Gus or Nick that made 2013 happen?
Both. Nick was God’s gift to the Malzahn O.
Posted on 12/23/23 at 2:44 pm to N97883
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Was it Gus or Nick that made 2013 happen?
Yes
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:27 pm to Fearless and True
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6 figures a year
Probably 7
I meant 7. Good catch.
Look at the day and time of my post...
Posted on 12/23/23 at 7:36 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
I think we are in a better spot now. No question Hugh is a better recruiter - we will see about coaching soon.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 6:03 am to Rhymenoceros
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I think we are in a better spot now
Not sure yet. Certainly didnt help his case on the field. When he has the wins and takes us to a natty, he will be better. As for now, he hasnt.
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No question Hugh is a better recruiter
Not sure about that either. Gus has some great recruiting classes.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 6:05 am
Posted on 12/24/23 at 7:19 am to LanierSpots
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Not sure about that either. Gus has some great recruiting classes.
Hugh is on the verge of breaking open our recruiting classes to heights Gus never saw in only his first full recruiting year. Your opinion is so dead.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 7:50 am to LanierSpots
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Not sure about that either. Gus has some great recruiting classes.
He certainly did. From my perspective, the difference between Gus and Hugh is that Gus recruited “stars”, not need, whereas Hugh focused on positions of need.
Now, I know that’s easy to say this year, with us being bare. Let’s see how he does in subsequent years, once the cupboard is not so bare.
But Gus, he recruited a lot of 4 star players that didn’t live up to their rating, for whatever reason. It also seemed like he would go after the 4 stars that Bama and the other big teams shied away from. Maybe talent evaluation wasn’t his strong suit.
It also seemed like he got a lot of 4 star WRs, which I thought was odd for a running team, and a lot of the “Star” defense position- remember the safety/linebacker hybrid?
Finally, if Gus had continued to recruit true dual threat QBs, he might still be here. Didn’t Lamar Jackson want to come here? Who did we sign instead? Sean White? Picture Lamar in Gus’ offense? It boggles the mind. He kept signing passing QBs that he tried to mold into runners.
He’s a smart guy, but stubborn. He always had to be the smartest guy in the room.
I like Gus, and he has given us some of the most electric moments in Auburn history. He’s also given us some of the most frustrating.
Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:05 am to Placekicker
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He certainly did. From my perspective, the difference between Gus and Hugh is that Gus recruited “stars”, not need, whereas Hugh focused on positions of need.
Developing players and recruiting players is different. I never heard one complaint on our Gus classes saying we didn’t need those 4 stars when we got them. Not till after Gus left.
As for filling needs, that is what you guys said about Harsin too. Plus, if we are getting needs, where are our offensive linemen ? Transfer quarterback? Those are big needs.
So many of these things have been said after the fact about Malzahn. Most of it is just untrue in my eyes.
People want to say that the recruiting ranking didn’t matter, just as long as we get who we need. LOL. There was a three page part of the recruiting thread yesterday trying to calculate our ranking “If” some guy transfers to us.
One thing about this board, the target always moves.
When Hugh can take us to a natty, beats 3, #1 teams and have the big victories that Gus did, I will love him as much. And do that without getting his arse handed to him by a high school team at home and having the most embarrassing iron bowl loss of all time.
Then I will love him as much.
This post was edited on 12/24/23 at 8:07 am
Posted on 12/24/23 at 8:08 am to Placekicker
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Finally, if Gus had continued to recruit true dual threat QBs, he might still be here
It has always been my biggest criticism on him. Changing the offense due to the outside noise. It was an ego thing for him and it cost us.
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