re: Gov. Ivey's Stay-At-Home Order

This whole ordeal has been total bullshite. Nothing we were told has come to pass. All of the models that they rolled out there as "science" were wrong. So here we are, 45 days later with a crippled economy, millions unemployed, thousands of small businesses gone, and civil liberties crushed. For what? To flatten the curve on the spread of a virus that will eventually effect everyone anyway?

The only winners in this have been the politicians and large corporations.

22 million lost their jobs this past calendar month.

I know I seemed like an a-hole saying there is no way I’m staying home symptom free from work when I am a co breadwinner of the family. So be it. I need my job more than my job needs me.


I’m fortunate so far (knock on wood)though my wife is restricted to 3 days a week as clinical liaison. She fills in the gap working as RT on the side. This pandemic will send me back to school though. Maybe I can reach 300 attempted hours at the end of my college student years. I need a clear plan B. Maybe become a medical coder or something.

It is about to get awkward around America. Many state governments are going to give the green light to open things back up soon.

The skyscreamers and doomsday prophets will refuse to go to work, I guess? Perhaps they could wear HazMat suits, idk. Then they will whine and cry about every new case and death. Blah blah we opened too soon, the government is killing us. It's gonna be pretty annoying...

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There is absolutely no rationale for suspending civil liberties like what's been done here.

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And there was a professor in Isreal that did a study on the countries and it took about 70 days no matter if you shut down or not. And the death rates are around the same as the flu. There are many people out there that had it but didn't know it. The anti-body tests are showing that to be the case. Let the people who want to go back to work, etc do it. If you are the type that needs or wants to wear masks, stay at home, etc..then fine do it. But for those of us that have had it and didn't know it...let us get back to doing work and going places. There are some idiot governors that are using this to try and punish people. If you don't believe it then why shut down home improvement, gardening etc (yeah Michigan/Vermont) I am specifically pointing you out. I don't want to have to lay people off but I don't think I will be able to cut enough budget to keep them around.

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I agree.

I have been shocked at how willingly people gave up basic liberties, but I do believe the science dictated something needed to be done. With that said I also believe the economic data suggest we have to find a happy medium going forward.

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I have a tackle store near me that I have been selling tackle to for over 10 years. The owner there is my age. Lets call it low 50's :)

He got the virus about two weeks ago. Still has no idea how he got it. No one around him is positive and they cant pin point how he contracted it. They took off a ventilator Friday after being on it for 11 days. He was basically one step from death. He is a healthy guy, in good shape with no basic health issues.

shite is fricked up. I will give up my basic liberties for a few months for that kind of shite not to spread to people. I dont fight either way on the issue. Im not going to try to convince anyone to be one way or the other and I am not going to make any kind of stand for either side

But I am happy to sit at home for a few months so we can get to a point to develop something or just let time pass to keep that shite from spreading

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But I am happy to sit at home for a few months so we can get to a point to develop something or just let time pass to keep that shite from spreading

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The problem is many people don't have symptoms so it will or has spread already.

Sorry to hear about your friend.

When are y'all opening back up H?

Opened officially this week. FB Karen called our local police chief in under 4 hours.

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While I obviously am on the more cautious side of this

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As am I, but the fact that places have glorified and incentivized snitching really pisses me off

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The original question was the economy or, human lives. When the inhumanity and hypocrisy were criticized, the narrative becomes, "civil liberties". Civil liberties? You have the right to endanger your fellow man? IMHO, neither is genuine. The real balancing is human lives versus the tenuous nature of the credit markets. A developed, truly healthy capitalistic economy would/should be much more resilient. An economy that has become so dependent upon credit cannot afford the potential mass defaults. Fundamental economics is dead. On the macro scale, it is all about capital and finance.

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Business debt is traditionally viewed as the sign of a healthy economy, but there is definitely a bubble there. I saw recently that a majority of the business debt in this country is rated BBB and below. That’s a mighty fragile system and this shutdown is unfortunately the match to light that powder keg.