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Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:24 pm to Weagle25
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:24 pm to Weagle25
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Spurrier would pick who he thought was the best option to win at the beginning of the game. But if the guy was playing like shite he yanked him. And if that guy played like shite, he yanked him too. Sometimes you have to give the next guy a shot even if you don’t think he’s any better. I was just watching I think the ‘94 UF-AU game. Spurrier started some guy that had Heisman hype. Played so shitty that he pulled and put Wuerfell in. Wuerfell ended up being a lot better than the guy who’s name I can’t even remember
I mean you work your way down the list until you find the guy who’s got it.
But that’s assuming you know you might have something viable there. Danny was a project but not a complete unknown being a d1 recruit and eventual expected starter. Hank is a former walk on and apparently the best of our current backups.
Long and short of it we may have absolutely nothing behind Thorne.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 11:26 pm
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Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:26 pm to jangalang
It doesn’t matter. When your QB sux, play someone else. Thorne sux, we all know it. Sometimes he plays good but when he doesn’t bench him.
I believe Freeze told the money guys that wanted to buy a QB that Thorne was better. He screwed up and they may fire his arse for it if we really suck this bad.
Let’s face it Cal sux. They are top 50. They just smoked our offense
I believe Freeze told the money guys that wanted to buy a QB that Thorne was better. He screwed up and they may fire his arse for it if we really suck this bad.
Let’s face it Cal sux. They are top 50. They just smoked our offense
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:29 pm to Bigbens42
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Hank is a former walk on
WTH?
I see your problem now. You don’t know anything about the roster. Bocephus was never a walkon. In fact, he was offered by Freeze at Liberty and then immediately offered him at Auburn when he got the job.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:30 pm to Bigbens42
We also have Holden who was a 4 star.
We have Walker White. Very highly rated.
It’s not like we have scrubs down there.
We have Walker White. Very highly rated.
It’s not like we have scrubs down there.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:38 pm to jvilletiger25
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WTH? I see your problem now. You don’t know anything about the roster. Bocephus was never a walkon. In fact, he was offered by Freeze at Liberty and then immediately offered him at Auburn when he got the job.
OK I’ll cop to jacking that one up.
Still, I don’t think he was ever expected to be contributor given what he was coming in against. We brought in Thorne for a reason and already had Holden on the roster. Then we brought in Walker.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:41 pm to Weagle25
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I’m not saying go full Spurrier. But at some point you have to see what the next guy’s got. I think we’re at that point
It's pretty risky when Thorne can still do well when given a rhythm. If you want to mid game bench him when he loses his marbles that's okay I guess. But Freeze needs to be firm in his conviction and ride with his best guy the next game.
The backup is always the inherent fan hood "hope".
If the backup does predictably bad, then there is no other scapegoat than the staff. The season is lost and the recruiting pitches are lost.
Again we just want some kind of mediocre performance with a splash of upside to sell.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:41 pm to Weagle25
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We also have Holden who was a 4 star. We have Walker White. Very highly rated. It’s not like we have scrubs down there.
Geriner I think has flamed out at this level. Don’t think he has the talent to challenge for a D1 starting job. Walker it’s too early to tell and too early to be throwing him out there with no protection.
Nothing ruins a young QB more than a bad protection situation.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:44 pm to Bigbens42
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Geriner I think has flamed out at this level. Don’t think he has the talent to challenge for a D1 starting job.
I will agree with you here. Holden is Finley 2.0. He’s so slow, huge arm, but he has no idea where it’s going. Holden would’ve been sacked 10 times today and probably thrown multiple INTs himself.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:45 pm to jangalang
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If the backup does predictably bad, then there is no other scapegoat than the staff. The season is lost and the recruiting pitches are lost.
What?
1. I guarantee none of our recruiting pitches are based on Hank. If they’re based on anybody right now it’s White or Knight.
2. Hank fails and we go back to Thorne, it’s “oh well all of our QBs suck”. Staff gets probably more blame by sticking with Thorne.
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:48 pm to Bigbens42
Long and short of it I think better QB play would have won this game. But at the same time we don’t have the O line to facilitate that play or anyone else more capable on the roster at the QB position as of now.
I’m not sure or Hugh’s decision to not go after a portal QB like Cam but I’m also not one of the bean counters or having to worry about budgets. I hope he has a longer term plan that will offer more in the future than putting a good QB like Cam behind bad pass pro.
I still think Hugh is building and needs time.
I’m not sure or Hugh’s decision to not go after a portal QB like Cam but I’m also not one of the bean counters or having to worry about budgets. I hope he has a longer term plan that will offer more in the future than putting a good QB like Cam behind bad pass pro.
I still think Hugh is building and needs time.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:55 pm to Weagle25
quote:Recruiting pitches have to get backed up. Manufactured negative narratives and a poor perception that follows a clear disaster will reverberate negative Freeze sentiment everywhere and recruits will hear it. Freeze will shortly find it hard to recruit his own WRs already on his team based on negative perception today, but if Hank screws up then maybe some doubt it wasn't all Thorne but Freeze too or the OL or whatever.
1. I guarantee none of our recruiting pitches are based on Hank. If they’re based on anybody right now it’s White or Knight.
Meanwhile, you could also hope Thorne and the OL will man up, find some upside and then sell needing a QB.
This post was edited on 9/7/24 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 9/7/24 at 11:58 pm to Bigbens42
ALSO, and it needs to be stated, the season is not over and we can still have a good one. It’ll be an uphill battle for the boys but it’s doable.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:16 am to Bigbens42
Are we using helmet communications with the QB or is that still too complicated for Freeze?
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:18 am to jangalang
If Thorne continues playing like this and we stick with him, it has much bigger ramifications for recruiting than the other way around.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:30 am to AuburnTigers
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There were so many wide open WRs that it hurt my eyes. 14 was so fricking wide open on the INT thrown towards Coleman (injured arm). He could have walked into the endzone he was that wide open.
Thorne didn’t know the RT had a busted hip and got sacked. He also didn’t know his star receiver had a hurt arm, which lead to a critical interception.
The guy deserves a little sympathy in this team effort to play badly.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 12:35 am to Weagle25
I agree today was bad and he deserved a mid game benching. The last pick the WR wasn't even looking.
Freeze needs to make sure he is playing the right QB for the right reasons though. If Hank is better, then bench Thorne. If he doesn't think Hank will do better but the public outcry demands change then Freeze better stick to his guns and see this season out. Fans wont like it but if he's our best shot he is our best shot. No benching will change that.
What are the beat writers saying?
Freeze needs to make sure he is playing the right QB for the right reasons though. If Hank is better, then bench Thorne. If he doesn't think Hank will do better but the public outcry demands change then Freeze better stick to his guns and see this season out. Fans wont like it but if he's our best shot he is our best shot. No benching will change that.
What are the beat writers saying?
Posted on 9/8/24 at 5:09 am to jangalang
Just like last year, we don’t have a qb. Cal’s qb was lights out. Freeze needs to stop forcing Thorne down our throat. He doesn’t have it.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:20 am to Bigbens42
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More talent. Still holes that need filling.
There will always be holes. You will never have a perfect or probably even a complete roster. That is why coaches make the big bucks. K owing where they are and working with that.
The fact that two years into the freeze time and we still have this QB is a complete failure. Considering we have had a large bank account to work with.
It’s like going shopping for potato’s, bread and salad but forgetting to buy steak
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:33 am to LanierSpots
Lets face it..........we are not a well coached team. Freeze can recruit, which is what we need right now. But he is Gus 2.0. They both try and fit square pegs in round holes.
We are soft. We didn't even attempt to establish the run until the second half. When we finally got it going, he would attempt a pass and something bad would happen to either stall the drive or end it. I am not sure our DB's could cover me. I am not sure our DB's could tackle me.
Just be prepared to lose multiple games a year we shouldn't lose.
Freeze is what he is. If you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.
We are soft. We didn't even attempt to establish the run until the second half. When we finally got it going, he would attempt a pass and something bad would happen to either stall the drive or end it. I am not sure our DB's could cover me. I am not sure our DB's could tackle me.
Just be prepared to lose multiple games a year we shouldn't lose.
Freeze is what he is. If you don't know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.
Posted on 9/8/24 at 6:58 am to MrAUTigers
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But he is Gus 2.0.
I think he's potentially worse than Gus.
Gus typically came in with a plan. It sometimes didn't work, but he didn't commonly get his butt handed to him by a team with equal or inferior talent. He also didn't blame everyone but himself, make excuses like "he was too busy recruiting to coach" or look as completely defeated and lost as Freeze looks two games into his second season.
Hugh has built this potential big class so far this season on promises and a lot of those promises likely were shown to be much further from the light of day yesterday than he had sold. If the trajectory of what we saw yesterday holds, this will be another losing season and we'll be spending serious money trying to keep even last season's class on campus, much less a new one. I don't envy Freeze at all in the job that's in front of him, but this is what college football is, now and we're either going to get back on our feet quickly or quickly get left behind.
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