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Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:36 am to CorchJay
Posted on 10/24/24 at 4:36 am to CorchJay
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We don’t need to be firing coaches every 2 years… period
The solution is for Auburn to hire good coaches. Keeping crap just because we can’t be changing coaches is not helping either. It’s really a no win situation we are in.
On the brink of a 4th straight losing season. Hasn’t happened since the 1940’s. I can understand the melt, it’s a message board, people come here to vent. Quit trying to lecture and be a momma and school teacher.
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Posted on 10/24/24 at 5:29 am to LanierSpots
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Perennial
There's a meaning behind that already. Just in case you didn't know that.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:12 am to wareaglepete
I’m not lecturing at all. Venting is fine but when the same 4 people spam every thread with Freeze is garbage he’s horrible he should be fired blah blah blah. There is absolutely zero reason to fire him at this point. If you think he’s a bad coach it will work itself out. If you think he lacks character from past decisions then he will fail again.
But if you are wrong and he keeps recruiting like he has been then at any moment the switch can flip and we would be at the top of conference and nationally. October of next year let’s revisit this discussion. If things remain the same I could see it being time to be looking for answer. But give the man at least 2 fricking recruiting classes at least.
But if you are wrong and he keeps recruiting like he has been then at any moment the switch can flip and we would be at the top of conference and nationally. October of next year let’s revisit this discussion. If things remain the same I could see it being time to be looking for answer. But give the man at least 2 fricking recruiting classes at least.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:55 am to FearlessFreep
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Leard’s career stats at AU Passing: 359-592 (60.6%) 4289 yds 7.2 ypa 28 TDs 18 INTs Rushing: 78 carries -200 yds -2.6 ypc 4 TDs
Throne’s career stats at AU Passing: 256-423 (60.5%) 3169 yds 7.5 ypa 27 TDs 16 INTs Rushing: 199 carries 680 yds 3.4 ypc 5 TDs
by virtually every measure of QB skill, Throne > Leard
The only difference is twitter wasnt around for fake analysts to blast a QB and his stature to broad audiences.
Literally if yall give me a platform and pump my jargon Ill have people believing Throne is better than Leard just as well. But nobody cares because people on the internet said he was the worst QB in Auburn history, and he has regressed every year, and he is the one problem to it all.
People actually said the same shite about nix so the power of a BS narrative is there.
This post was edited on 10/24/24 at 10:09 am
Posted on 10/24/24 at 7:24 pm to jangalang
The losing has to stop. Everyone should be pissed at our coach. We’re 2-5 and blew games with big leads and lost to shittier teams.
Anybody thinking that’s a good sign for the program is drunk.
Anybody can go 8-4 at Auburn. Literally anyone. So we have wait 3yrs for this guy to get us to 8-4, what a joke and dumb arse plan.
Anybody thinking that’s a good sign for the program is drunk.
Anybody can go 8-4 at Auburn. Literally anyone. So we have wait 3yrs for this guy to get us to 8-4, what a joke and dumb arse plan.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 8:01 pm to AUX3
Everyone is pissed. Harsin absolutely deserved to be fired. Freeze absolutely deserves a chance to get it turned around.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 8:49 pm to CorchJay
Why did harsin absolutely deserve to get fired but Hugh absolutely does not? Because of recruiting?
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:03 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
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Ben Leard, arguably the most underrated QB in AU history.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:16 pm to RandySavage
quote:Partly because of the recency of BH's termination. As well as having absolutely zero (recruiting like you said) upward trajectory. Coupled with the cultural mismatch of him, the wive, the kids, the staff, and the PTB. Allen Greene could also fit in.
Why
Hugh's still threading water and got a promise or two.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 9:49 pm to awestruck
For the record I had no problem with Harsin being let go. Was glad to see it. Just seems a weird stance to be so adamant about waiting until year 4 to judge Hugh but saying the previous guy should have "absolutely" been fired after a year and a half. Especially when his record was better.
I get the culture fit, or lack thereof, too but I mean come on it's not like Hugh has any off field goodwill to fall back on.
I get the culture fit, or lack thereof, too but I mean come on it's not like Hugh has any off field goodwill to fall back on.
Posted on 10/24/24 at 11:31 pm to RandySavage
He’s not the next great coach that’s for sure. His stock is low. Nobody else is taking him.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:42 am to RandySavage
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Just seems a weird stance to be so adamant about waiting until year 4 to judge Hugh but saying the previous guy should have "absolutely" been fired after a year and a half. Especially when his record was better.
You couldn't point to a single thing under Harsin that was trending positively. The program was in a steady decline in all facets.
Hugh can point to recruiting.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 6:53 pm to slacker130
Hugh knows recruiting southern style.
And not just grits, and hi'yall,
Harsin didn't romance the PTB.
Hugh still hasn't gotten his team. Major parts but not one complete unit with some spare parts. The money men know this. It's their players. And they know what our senior payroll is. Jus not seeing them as panicked.
He's here until they decide. Fans will bitch an moan but no one's jumping ship. Quitting the sport even but not changing teams.
And not just grits, and hi'yall,
Harsin didn't romance the PTB.
Hugh still hasn't gotten his team. Major parts but not one complete unit with some spare parts. The money men know this. It's their players. And they know what our senior payroll is. Jus not seeing them as panicked.
He's here until they decide. Fans will bitch an moan but no one's jumping ship. Quitting the sport even but not changing teams.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 9:40 pm to wareaglepete
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The solution is for Auburn to hire good coaches
So who was your choice instead of Freeze and why? Also given the same status do you think that person would have a better record over the two seasons?
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:39 pm to RandySavage
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Why did harsin absolutely deserve to get fired but Hugh absolutely does not? Because of recruiting?
You have lost your flipping mind. Connor Lew ran from Harsin. So that marginal better winning percentage becuse of (Bo) would've only sufferred. Your boy relied on Gus OL. Remember that.
Harsin never offered hope at the end of the tunnel. Just podcasts. got Damn it Randy, I thought you saw through shite!
Posted on 10/26/24 at 6:38 am to jangalang
My friend, as I stated I was more than happy to see Harsin go after a season and a half. I am not in this camp of letting things continue to rot out of fear something worse may be around the corner. I've also stated as long as the recruiting stays in tact I think Hugh should be allowed to stay.
Corch seems dead set on this you have to wait 4 year to judge thing no matter what so I was surprised to see he was so in favor of cutting ties with Harsin before the end of year 2.
Don't worry jang we are still in this together.
Corch seems dead set on this you have to wait 4 year to judge thing no matter what so I was surprised to see he was so in favor of cutting ties with Harsin before the end of year 2.
Don't worry jang we are still in this together.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:52 am to 88TIger
Prime.
Yes.
Yes.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 10:10 am to RandySavage
Okay. Good.
I would've fully supported another Harsin year if it felt like he tried. He never tried and I never felt he had a plan to turn us around. His first year record was decent given the circumstances but I was pissed at him for something else beyond W-L column. His second year record was pathetic but it was his lazy approach to bringing in reinforcements that made me want to be done with him.
Show me there is hope and you're trying to fix it and I'll happily wait every time.
The people that are saying Hugh should be fired have no perspective whatsoever. We might go 3-9 this year and at Auburn that usually gets coaches fired, but there is something else fans aren't factoring in and that's program trajectory. Despite the record there is overwhelming evidence that the future looks better than it has in years. We had a two or three year rebuild once Freeze got here. He did his part bringing in the recruits so the rebuild will soon be behind us.
I would've fully supported another Harsin year if it felt like he tried. He never tried and I never felt he had a plan to turn us around. His first year record was decent given the circumstances but I was pissed at him for something else beyond W-L column. His second year record was pathetic but it was his lazy approach to bringing in reinforcements that made me want to be done with him.
Show me there is hope and you're trying to fix it and I'll happily wait every time.
The people that are saying Hugh should be fired have no perspective whatsoever. We might go 3-9 this year and at Auburn that usually gets coaches fired, but there is something else fans aren't factoring in and that's program trajectory. Despite the record there is overwhelming evidence that the future looks better than it has in years. We had a two or three year rebuild once Freeze got here. He did his part bringing in the recruits so the rebuild will soon be behind us.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:06 am to jangalang
jang, this makes sense and all, but it still comes down to the fact that Freezus is just not a good coach
i’ve never cared much about all the off-field noise, it just strikes me that he is unable to prepare his teams adequately, and his in-game decisions have been pretty awful for years now
i dont think firing him is a good idea, but i dont think hiring him was a good idea in the first place (i was pretty clear about that from before Harsin even got the axe)
ultimately i would hope that when the inevitable happens and Freezus is shown the door, that our deep pocketed GOBs would admit their mistake and allow a competent search with no emotional interference clouding the results
i know, what are the odds of that happening
i’ve never cared much about all the off-field noise, it just strikes me that he is unable to prepare his teams adequately, and his in-game decisions have been pretty awful for years now
i dont think firing him is a good idea, but i dont think hiring him was a good idea in the first place (i was pretty clear about that from before Harsin even got the axe)
ultimately i would hope that when the inevitable happens and Freezus is shown the door, that our deep pocketed GOBs would admit their mistake and allow a competent search with no emotional interference clouding the results
i know, what are the odds of that happening
Posted on 10/26/24 at 11:35 am to wareaglepete
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Prime.
So how do you project UC doing next year when his QB & Top WR are gone? He hasn't recruited much in the way of HS ranks & Line.
One of the reasons, I looked at Curt S as he was a program builder, and has his 3rd rebuild clicking.
It looks like Freeze is building through recruiting at HS so I think he is building a good program but really needs a decent QB for 1 and done next year. I think they have one lined up not sure who yet but I do think he will be somewhat successful but we do need these young guys to step up in leadership roles next year.
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